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Swedish women fight for right to bare breasts

 
 
dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 06:37 am
patiodog wrote:
Teenage boys are wired for hard-ons. I know -- I was one. Yeah, bare boobs were good for that. So were women in bikinis, or one-pieces, or old-fashioned bathing costumes. A ride on the highway with snow chains. Sitting bored in class. Waking up in the morning. Now, I don't really care one way or the other, but the eroticization and censure of breasts is utterly and completely arbitrary (well, nipples get erect, but they do on men, too, and they do it for all sorts of reasons).





Just a thought: what if your teenage son was gay. Would you ask a well-muscled young man at the pool to please put a shirt on, you might give my boy a boner?


In fact I'd ensure your son wears a shirt in case his bare chest aroused a dirty old man.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 06:47 am
imagine there's no nipples
it's easy if you try
no awkward sweater features
that poke us in the eye

imagine proper women... dressing properly...

i...
imagine no more sex drive
i wonder if you can
no need for procreation
or using just one hand

imagine all the people, keeping it in their pants

you...
you may say i'm a dreamer
but i'm not the only one
i hope someday you'll join us
it's so high-minded, but it's no fun

imagine no more women
it isn't hard to do
no one to cuddle or win over
and no distractions too

imagine all the people, getting back to work

you... you may say i'm a dreamer
but i'm not completely gone
i just don't like the human body
and i was born with clothing on
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patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 06:55 am
dadpad wrote:
patiodog wrote:
Teenage boys are wired for hard-ons. I know -- I was one. Yeah, bare boobs were good for that. So were women in bikinis, or one-pieces, or old-fashioned bathing costumes. A ride on the highway with snow chains. Sitting bored in class. Waking up in the morning. Now, I don't really care one way or the other, but the eroticization and censure of breasts is utterly and completely arbitrary (well, nipples get erect, but they do on men, too, and they do it for all sorts of reasons).





Just a thought: what if your teenage son was gay. Would you ask a well-muscled young man at the pool to please put a shirt on, you might give my boy a boner?


In fact I'd ensure your son wears a shirt in case his bare chest aroused a dirty old man.


Well, if he comes down to visit you I'll give him a hoodie...








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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 07:07 am
happycat wrote:
I'm uncomfortable watching naked women....


I can feel that.

Later on, your kid probably will do either.

But, what the heck, it's just crap...
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 07:19 am
a number of individuals feel the same way about fat people- i'm sure if we simply told them to stay at home... that's not unreasonable is it?

i mean fat's fat, you can't just pretend it isn't there, wearing black or vertical stripes. perhaps if we disguised them all as police boxes...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 07:20 am
happycat, you'd be amazed how quickly nudity becomes desexualized if you're used to it.

I've mentioned before [shushes the chorus of "too many times!!"] that I used to live in a clothes-optional housing co-op. That is, people who lived there could wear clothes or not, up to them. It was SO nice in the summer to just not have to bother with bras, shirts, etc. And it was simply not an issue. There were the new guys or visitors who got a bit Shocked, but they were given a talking-to by male residents or else just got used to it, themselves. I'd put the equation at something like 6 hours or 4 days, whichever came first. (Yes, there was male nudity too, especially for swimming, also not an issue.)
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 07:20 am
happycat wrote:
Why do they put brown paper covers on magazines such as Playboy and Maxim

They do? Shocked

Not in Europe.. (not anywhere I remember anyway, its not that I go around looking for it).

In Holland, of course they dont - might put it on a higher shelf, but its there for all to see. Ah yes, but Holland, I hear you say. But oddly enough, its here in Hungary that I ended up feeling a bit prudish. They're way more liberal here on that particular count.

I remember three moments in the first few months here that I went, eh? Once when a guy, just a regular guy, was openly leafing through Playboy while walking down the street, without any embarassment. Once when in a cultural-type coffeehouse, where they have plays and comedy nights, the Playboy was randomly part of the reading table, in between news magazines and pop ones. And the third time was when in one of those fancy trendy restaurants on Liszt Square - the whole square is a bit of a mix between tourist trap and hangout for the New Rich, but the place was just a regular cafe/restaurant - the Penthouse was the only reading material they had. Piles of em in occasional places. Turned out they sponsored the place.

That made me blink, I gotta admit, I mean, what?

But its normal, apparently. Its odd - when it comes to relationships, the whole expected roles men and women are expected to play, they're still unnervingly conservative here. Its like the fifties must have been, like emancipation never happened, or not much below the surface. But then on sex and the like they seem to have jumped ahead of even us Dutch, postcommunism style.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 07:21 am
Re: NOT THE NIPPLE AGAIN! ANYTHING BUT THE NIPPLE!
tinygiraffe wrote:
i mean the mouth can be a sex organ too, and women go around smiling all day, honestly it's no wonder people are so depraved.

Well, that is a good point. I mean, thats what the veils are for..
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 07:24 am
i don't have to explain how hands are involved
i know, here in the states our "page 5" girl in the tabloids is wearing a top, can you believe it?

let them grow up in europe, they'll be bored with nipples by the time they hit puberty. it's that, or have all the american girls tape up like hilary swank in boys don't cry.


oh please, say to me
you like the way i look
and please, say to me

you'll let me hold your books!
now let me hold your books,
i want to hold your books...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 10:53 am
happycat wrote:
Why do they put brown paper covers on magazines such as Playboy and Maxim, and restrict the buying age?


I have no idea why they do it where you are.

They don't do it here, or anyplace I've travelled in the U.S.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 10:56 am
Re: NOT THE NIPPLE AGAIN! ANYTHING BUT THE NIPPLE!
nimh wrote:
tinygiraffe wrote:
i mean the mouth can be a sex organ too, and women go around smiling all day, honestly it's no wonder people are so depraved.

Well, that is a good point. I mean, thats what the veils are for..


That was pretty much my burkha comment.
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Mame
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 11:06 am
Many clothes women wear are extremely revealing, so they might as well be bare.

Your son, happycat, could and probably is getting turned on by shots of celebrities' bare hoo-haa's which have been all over the internet.


I don't see how bare boobs are a big deal.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 12:15 pm
Yeah, some of the softer porno mags (the ones available at newstands) are sold sealed in clear plastic so you can't look inside without paying, but as far as I know the brown paper thing is how it's sent in the mail. And if I remember right, my National Geographic subscription came in a brown wrapper, too.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 12:19 pm
No plastic wrappers on the soft porn here. The only magazines that are mailed/sold in plastic are ones that have dvd's or advertising treats.

I guess Canajuns are just decadent to the bone. Almost European in our freakishness Laughing
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Mame
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 01:05 pm
Hey, you calling me a freak?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 01:13 pm
You're workin' on it Cool


Getting pretty good at it, too.
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Mame
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 02:14 pm
Laughing Well guess that means you're a freak, too, so we're in good company.
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mushypancakes
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 04:02 pm
Always with the boobs.

I just don't care anymore. Wouldn't fight for it, like these folks, bc I just don't care.

I wonder why it is that so many think seeing all these boobs all the time is going to be a good thing, I do wonder that sometimes.

At the places where I've seen a lot of topless women, (not talking a strip club but public places where it is legal and outside) : most of those bodies aren't even that appealing to look at.

This may sound cruel, but it's not even that it is distracting. It's that there is often "prettier" and more pleasant things to be looking at, like trees, so it ceases to even matter.

Honestly, wouldn't even matter if men walked around with their packages hanging out. It's all ceases to be sexual real fast.

I don't care for exhibitionist personalities, though, and that is my biggest problem with it all. Problem, as in, it does sometimes irritate me when someone gets all riled up about this crap and insists they shouldn't have to wear a top anywhere and what have you. It's not hard to live with either way, so what is the big deal.

If we could somehow lock away all the exhibitionist type personalities into one place....I'd be happy...nice or not, that's my fantasy.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 04:21 pm
Re: i don't have to explain how hands are involved
tinygiraffe wrote:
let them grow up in europe, they'll be bored with nipples by the time they hit puberty.

oh i wouldnt quite say that..

nimhstillnotbored
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 05:45 pm
Tinygiraffe, did you write that 'imagine' riff? Very funny.




I'm on a one-woman don't worry if nipples show under clothes crusade. I spent a bunch of years, years ago, buying padded bras for that reason, not for bulk.

I can see a pool company having rules of their choice, but can also see the argument by the women. Hmm. In a situation like in soz' coop, that's a coop choice; with other public and private facilities, I can see rules varying.

Amusingly, I find Playboys on a table no big deal. Or, playboys at or on tables.

The thing with swimming though... I'm trying to picture a whole pool of female backstrokers...

When I used to swim a mile three times a week, ohgodnotlately, I think I liked having my boobs constrained by my speedo and not flopping out there in pool space....
I could only do the crawl with any reasonable facility - just seems easier in my mind without flop city happening.
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