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Survey: Iran rift poses transatlantic challenge

 
 
Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:41 am
Europeans and Americans differ widely over whether to use force if diplomacy fails to contain Iran's nuclear programme, posing a major challenge for future transatlantic relations, a major opinion survey shows.

The annual Transatlantic Trends study by the German Marshall Fund of the United States and four European foundations suggests U.S.-European ties are unlikely to recover until there is a new president in the White House and may not improve much even then.




From the Press Release - US: 2007:

(Slightly different: Press Release - EU: 2007

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DESPITE NEW LEADERS IN EUROPE, NEW U.S. PRESIDENT ON HORIZON, PUBLICS STILL CAUTIOUS ON CLOSER RELATIONS

~ Survey shows Americans and Europeans share concerns on energy and terrorism, worries of Russia, China; divided on use of force in Iran and Afghanistan ~


WASHINGTON, DC, & BRUSSELS (September 6, 2007) - A survey released today shows that, despite new leaders in Great Britain, France, and Germany pledging to work with the United States, public expectations for a renewed transatlantic partnership continue to lag behind leaders' rhetoric.

Gordon Brown in the U.K., Nicolas Sarkozy in France, and Angela Merkel in Germany have all pledged to improve ties to the United States, and many observers see the 2008 U.S. presidential election as a chance for a renewed relationship between the United States and Europe. Transatlantic Trends 2007 (http://www.transatlantictrends.org/) shows that regardless of who is elected in 2008, more than a third of Europeans (35%) feel that relations will improve, while 46% believe relations will remain the same. In the United States, more Americans feel relations will improve after the 2008 elections (42%), compared with 37% who feel relations will stay the same regardless of who is elected. There is, however, a significant difference in opinion among Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. More Democrats (58%) feel relations will improve with a new president, compared with only 26% of Republicans. A majority of Republicans (54%) feel that relations will remain the same.

"As we look ahead to 2008, it will take more than changes in leadership to mend past rifts," said Craig Kennedy, president of the German Marshall Fund of the United States. "Greater openness and a willingness to work together across the Atlantic will be needed as the world continues to struggle with an increase in global threats."

Transatlantic Trends 2007 - a project of the German Marshall Fund of the United States and the Compagnia di San Paolo in Turin, Italy, with additional support from the Fundação Luso-Americana (Portugal), the Fundación BBVA (Spain), and the Tipping Point Foundation (Bulgaria) - measures broad public opinion in the United States and 12 European countries and gauges transatlantic relations. For the sixth consecutive year, participants were asked their views on each other and on global threats, foreign policy objectives, world leadership, and multilateral institutions.

SHARED CONCERNS OF ENERGY DEPENDENCE AND INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM
There was an overall rise in threat perceptions among Europeans, nearing American levels in many cases. Europeans felt most likely to be personally affected by global warming (85%), energy dependence (78%), and international terrorism (66%). Americans felt most likely to be personally affected by energy dependence (88%), an economic downturn (80%), and international terrorism (74%). 54% of Americans but 38% of Europeans feel that the best approach to ensuring a stable supply of energy is by reducing energy dependence on other countries even if that means paying a higher price, while 24% of Americans and 31% of Europeans feel that the best approach is to increase cooperation with energy-producing countries even if their governments are undemocratic. 54% of Republicans and 49% of Democrats agree that the United States should reduce its dependence on energy-producing countries.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:42 am
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DIVIDES ON USE OF FORCE IN IRAN AND AFGHANISTAN
Majorities of both Americans and Europeans agree we should do more to keep Iran from acquiring nuclear capabilities. Should an increase in diplomatic pressure on Iran fail, 47% percent of Americans feel that the option of military force should be maintained should diplomacy fail, compared with 32% who felt it should be ruled out. Just 18% of Europeans feel the military option should be maintained, and 47% feel it should not. Democrats (35% support) and Republicans (65%) in the United States also are divided on the military option. Most Europeans (64%) and Americans (64%) support contributing troops to international reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan, but differ on whether their troops should combat the Taliban (68% of Americans approve, 30% of Europeans).

RUSSIA AND CHINA SEEN AS POTENTIAL THREATS
Americans (79%) and Europeans (65%) express concern about Russia's role in providing weapons to the Middle East, its weakening democracy (75% of Americans, 57% of Europeans); and its role as an energy provider (58% of Americans, 59% of Europeans). Americans and Europeans (54% and 48%, respectively) view China more as an economic threat than as an economic opportunity. By contrast, more Americans (50%) than Europeans (32%) viewed China as a military threat.

SUPPORT FOR DEMOCRACY PROMOTION CONTINUES TO FALL IN U.S.
37% percent of Americans thought the United States should establish democracy abroad, a drop of eight percentage points from last year and 15 points since 2005. Compared to 2005, Republican support has declined from 76% to 53%, and Democratic support from 43% to 31%. When asked whether they feel it should be the role of the European Union to help establish democracy in other countries, 71% of Europeans (EU11) [1] agreed.

EUROPEANS MORE CRITICAL OF BUSH THAN OF THE UNITED STATES
Europeans have remained critical of President Bush and his international policies (77% disapproval compared to 17% approval). There has been a consistent 20-percentage-point gap between European approval for Bush's international policies and the European public's desire for U.S. leadership in global affairs, suggesting that, while views of the United States are influenced by views of the President's policies, Europeans continue to distinguish between them. When asked to choose the most important factor behind the decline in transatlantic relations, Europeans were divided between the U.S.'s management of the Iraq war (38%) and Bush himself (34%).

MAJORITY FEELS EU SHOULD WORK WITH U.S. ON GLOBAL THREATSTURKEY MOVING TOWARD ISOLATION, PESSIMISTIC ABOUT EU CHANCES
Continuing its cooling since 2004, Turkish "warmth" toward the United States (on a 100-point "thermometer" scale) declined from 28 degrees in 2004 and 20 in 2006 to 11 in 2007, and toward the European Union from 52 degrees in 2004 and 45 in 2006 to 26 in 2007. Turkish warmth toward Iran, which had risen last year, fell from 43 degrees to 30, and Turkey is the cooler toward China (28 degrees) and Russia (21 degrees) than is any other surveyed country. The percentage of Turkish respondents who view EU membership as a good thing remains the largest group (40%) but continued to decline - a drop of 14 percentage points from last year (54%) and 33 points lower than in 2004 (73%). The largest percentage of Europeans (EU11) continue to feel it would be neither good nor bad (42%). When asked how likely it is that Turkey will join the European Union, 56% of Europeans (EU11) felt it is likely that Turkey will join, compared with only 26% of Turkish respondents who agreed.


For the full report and top-line data, see http://www.transatlantictrends.org/



SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS

Transatlantic Trends is a project of the German Marshall Fund of the United States (http://www.gmfus.org/) and the Compagnia di San Paolo (www.compagnia.torino.it) with additional support from Fundação Luso-Americana (http://www.flad.pt/), Fundación BBVA (http://www.fbbva.es/), and the Tipping Point Foundation.

METHODOLOGY
TNS Opinion conducted the survey and collected the data from the United States and 12 European countries: Germany, France, Great Britain, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, Romania, and Bulgaria. Interviews were conducted by telephone using CATI (Computer Assisted Telephone Interviews) in all countries except Poland, Slovakia, Turkey, Bulgaria, and Romania (where lower telephone penetration necessitates face-to-face interviews), between June 4 and June 23, 2007. In each country, a random sample of approximately 1,000 men and women, 18 years of age and older were interviewed. The margin of error is plus/minus 3 percentage points.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 09:09 pm
Interestingly enough, shortly after your post, Germany announced it intended to capitulate to Iran's nuclear dreams in the interest of a healthy German economy.

Even more interesting is the suggestion that Germany indicated to US diplomats with a wink and a nod that while they would publicly condemn it, in private they would welcome an American bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities.

Of course German officials deny such a thing.

In France, we have our new friend President Sarkozy warning Iran of the consequences of violent action if they continue their pursuit of nukes.

And we have the Israelis demonstrating they can fly in and out of the air space of one of their hostile neighbors (in this case Syria) and drop a bomb or three.

It's almost inconceivable, given the current war in Iraq, but is the US inching its way towards military action in Iran, and with the backroom blessings of its allies?

Lord knows Iran keeps asking for it.

My bet is that before the end of his presidency, Bush will launch a military attack on Iran. Unless of course they see the light and give up their desires for a new Persian Empire (fat chance of that).

A non-nuclear Iran is working to muck everything up in the region. Imagine how they will act with The Bomb.

I haven't thought it all the way through yet and so am uncertain as to whether or not I believe a military strike is the right way to go. I'll have time to think about it though, but frankly what I think won't mean a row of beans to W.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 10:10 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Interestingly enough, shortly after your post, Germany announced it intended to capitulate to Iran's nuclear dreams in the interest of a healthy German economy.

Even more interesting is the suggestion that Germany indicated to US diplomats with a wink and a nod that while they would publicly condemn it, in private they would welcome an American bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities.


You certainly have a source for that?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 10:45 pm
We're Americans! We don't need no damn sources.

That complicates things. It blurs our resolve.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 11:54 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Interestingly enough, shortly after your post, Germany announced it intended to capitulate to Iran's nuclear dreams in the interest of a healthy German economy.

Even more interesting is the suggestion that Germany indicated to US diplomats with a wink and a nod that while they would publicly condemn it, in private they would welcome an American bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities.


You certainly have a source for that?


You guys and your sources.

I heard it on NPR on my way to my office.

But here's what googling "germany wants us to bomb iran" turned up:

BIG STINKING SOURCE

I know, I know...FOX?! What kind of a source is FOX?

Actually they were the first hit on said Google search.

Believe or don't - I don't think I could care less.

This is a silly internet forum! The sort of nonsense that gets spewed daily on this site and you demand sources. Sheesh!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 11:55 pm
Amigo wrote:
We're Americans! We don't need no damn sources.

That complicates things. It blurs our resolve.


How droll
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 05:59 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
But here's what googling "germany wants us to bomb iran" turned up:

BIG STINKING SOURCE

I know, I know...FOX?! What kind of a source is FOX?

Actually they were the first hit on said Google search.

Believe or don't - I don't think I could care less.


Fine. I don't care either.

But it is untrue - that' why FOX comes up as only source.

(Even ou conservatives wouldn't think such - besides that it would be an act against our constitution.)
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:22 pm
Presumably you have a "source" to prove it's false.

I don't require one but I'm trying to imagine what such a source might be.

Seriously, do you really believe it is beyond German diplomats to signal the US that it would quietly applaud a bombing of Iranian nuke sites?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 07:35 am
France Warns of War
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 09:23 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said that must be done to avoid the prospect of war with Iran, and Kouschner s called meanwhile by the French «sous-fifre des Américains». (We had Bush's poodle already Laughing)

Kouchner Plays Down Iran 'War' Remarks

And the earlier news:
The New Hawks of France
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