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Did undercover Canadian police try to instigate riot?

 
 
nimh
 
Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 03:51 am
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Police deny using 'provocateurs' at summit

Aug 22, 2007 08:27 PM
Joan Bryden
Canadian press

OTTAWA - The Mounties and Quebec provincial police deny using agents provocateurs at this week's Montebello summit, despite video evidence that suggests undercover cops tried to incite violence.

The denials Wednesday did nothing to quell mounting outrage over police tactics. Anti-globalization and union activists joined with opposition politicians to demand an independent investigation.

They also questioned whether police were acting on orders from the Prime Minister's Office and called on both Stephen Harper and Quebec Premier Jean Charest to denounce the use of agents provocateurs.

"In a free and democratic society, people have the right to peacefully protest something they don't like," said union leader Dave Coles, who confronted the alleged undercover officers outside the summit site Monday.

"Are Canadian citizens going to have to face these kinds of provocateurs just because Stephen Harper seems to think we're some sort of loony-left group?

"Quite frankly, that's insulting and we don't accept it and we want answers from him."

The three alleged provocateurs were caught on camera (view YouTube video) - with bandanas masking their faces and at least one carrying a rock in his hand - approaching a line of Surete du Quebec police in full riot garb. They refused to back away, despite the insistence of Coles and other protest organizers that they leave the area.

As protesters surrounded the men and tried to snatch off their masks, one of the three spoke to an SQ officer. The trio got through the police line, were forced to the ground and handcuffed.

Photos of the men lying on the ground show the three were wearing combat boots with identical markings to the ones worn by an SQ officer kneeling beside them.

Video also shows the three eventually being led quietly away to police vans. By contrast, Coles said four legitimate protesters - whom police say were the only people arrested and charged at the summit - were "roughed up pretty good and dragged away."

A spokesman for Harper denied any role by the prime minister in the fair, saying "the PMO is not involved in security for events." Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day's office referred all questions to the RCMP.

The Mounties and the SQ, the two police forces involved in summit security, continued to refuse specific comment on three alleged undercover officers caught on camera in an apparent bid to incite a confrontation.

But they denied using agents to provoke violence.

"I confirm (to) you that there are no agents provocateurs in the Surete du Quebec. . . It doesn't exist in the Surete du Quebec," said Const. Melanie Larouche.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Luc Bessette said the Mounties do "not use tactics that would encourage confrontation or incite violence."

Bessette said the RCMP cannot discuss details of security measures for major events such as the summit because "to do so could jeopardize the integrity of our operations for future events."

Liberal justice critic Marlene Jennings said the evidence is ``quite incriminating" and called on the two police forces to ``clear this up." She said it's one thing for officers to pose as protesters in a bid to keep an eye on potential trouble-makers, ``but to be instigators is completely unacceptable."

Jennings suggested protest organizers may want to file a complaint with the two forces. Coles said his union has not done so yet but is seeking legal advice.

New Democrat MP Libby Davies, who participated in the summit demonstrations, said the video evidence raises "hugely serious questions" about the role of the police at contentious international meetings.

"It seems like they create this environment, a show of force, that sets it up for a confrontation," she said.

"I think we need to know who authorized this, how high up does this go?"

Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers union, speculated on two possible motives for the police to try to incite a riot at the summit, where Harper, U.S. President George Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderon were discussing the Security and Prosperity Partnership between their three countries.

He said police may have wanted to justify the millions spent on security for the summit by creating an incident they could quell. But he said there may also have been a political motive to discredit the protesters as violent radicals, thereby deflecting attention from the substance of their opposition to the SPP.

"This is the face of (the SPP), where people can't even ask a question without having to face these kinds of goons. It's time that all the secrecy and backroom deals end," said Coles.

"The SPP is a fraud, just like those three so-called activists were."
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 02:44 pm
I listened to an interview with Mr. Coles last night.

I only wish that the RCMP could be that shrewd.
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 04:16 pm
cops trying to cause a riot? Whats new.
Hey you gotta laugh at how those dudes sneak away........

'we are not cops........okaaaaaaaaay'
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 04:46 pm
It was truly pathetic. Given the PM's statements, gotta suspect he hoped for something more dramatic.

Canajuns just don't do the protest thing well enough. They don't even get riled up when the plants try to make things exciting.

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"I've heard it's nothing," he commented to reporters over his shoulder as he waited to greet the U.S. president. "A couple of hundred? It's sad."


He sounded so disappointed.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 08:40 pm
Now this is interesting!

It hardly seems as though the "proof" is incontravertible, but let's assume it was the case.

What were these guys up to?

They were trying to incite the real anarchists to violence?

One has to assume that the Canadian brand of anarchist is indeed a lite version of the bands that roam the world and show up at WTO and G8 summits with molotov cocktails in hand, if they need to be incited to righteous anger by blatham's brothers in disguise.

Let's further assume it had worked, and these two provocateurs precipitated violence on the part of the crowd.

The violent Canuck anarchists, would they have been innocent, the victims of foul entrapment by The Flannel Shirted Man?

Did the government think that if a riot broke out it could have cleaned Canada of all anarchists by firing into the crowd?

Such a plot is ridiculous, which is not at all to say that it wasn't the case. Conservative governments are as subject to ridiculous notions as Liberal ones, but what is the furor all about?

If this is true, isn't it just a mirror version of the sort of thing so many anarchist groups attempt at these gatherings?

If you are an anarchist, it rings rather hollow for you to cry foul that the government should not abide by some set of rules.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 06:13 am
It was the goofy truth.

The police admitted it.

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Updated Fri. Aug. 24 2007 8:06 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Quebec provincial police on Friday defended the actions of three officers who posed as protesters during the North American Leaders' summit earlier this week in Montebello, but added there will be an internal investigation into their conduct.

Authorities initially denied claims from protesters that officers had infiltrated their ranks but later acknowledged the three men were police officers.


Goofs.

They were more than a bit stupid. To top off everything else, their boots were visible on the video while they were being 'arrested' - the police and the plants were wearing the same boots Cool Buncha yutzes.

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Coles is shown in the YouTube video shot Monday from protests in Montebello accusing three masked protesters of being police.

At first he confronted the men because they were holding rocks and the line they were in was meant for peaceful protests.

"When I saw these three burly guys coming towards the line armed with rocks, I confronted them like I had others and immediately became apparent that these weren't protesters," he said. "They looked like police, they acted like police. I accused them of being police. You could see by their reaction in their eyes that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar."

In the video, Coles can be heard shouting and seen trying to pull down the masks from the men.

"Put down the rock, cop!" Coles is heard shouting in the video.

The men push towards the police line in the video and they are immediately pushed to the ground, arrested and taken away. Photographs taken by another protester shows the men on the ground wearing boots with the same emblem as the officers who are arresting them.


Stupid
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 06:15 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
They were trying to incite the real anarchists to violence?


Those weren't "anarchists".
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 09:43 am
ehBeth wrote:
It was the goofy truth.

The police admitted it.

Reminds me of G. K. Chesterton's novel "The Man Who Was Thursday". Have you read it by any chance?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 09:52 am
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CHAPTER XI
THE CRIMINALS CHASE THE POLICE


There is a copy upstairs Cool
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 10:05 am
I just visited the CTV site you linked to, and I love the government's latest spin on the story: "The police tactics were successful because there was little violence at the event."
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