How can you talk of death when no one knows what life is

nightrider wrote:

looks like Analytical philosophy cant tell us what life is -another example of its basic uselessness-

Penicillin can't tell us what life is either. Neither can bridges, shoes, or drivers' licenses. Are penicillin, bridges, shoes, or drivers' licenses useless?

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what ever dean is he has guzumped you
and your AP
not bad dont you think
to have demonstrated that AP is meaningless as well as useless
looks like if you belive in logic
your AP departments must close all over the country now
oh deary me
you are on social security now thanks to dean

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nightrider wrote:

what ever dean is he has guzumped you

Cute... sounds like your answer is "no," Dean. So how do you explain this? How is that pencillin, bridges, shoes, and drivers' license are useful even if they can't explain life? Is that your criteria for usefulness and your method of judging things by what they're not meant to do is totally insipid?

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i bet colin leslie dean is the best kept secret in the world of AP -let alone the rest of philosophy- cant be telling students about his views now can we
oh we might be out of a job -and we cant have that now

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So THAT'S what this is all about. I feel your pain, Dean. I have a physicist friend who's been trying to tell the world that the earth is a shaped like a burrito, but his views are considered so dangerous to youth and so threatening to the establishment that he's been boycotted from academia (even though Big Brother tries to pretend that this boycott is actually due to the fact that my friend's views are totally useless). It just ain't right.

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i will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- have life- any way
we might all be just part of the matrix -never alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead
now hows that for all you movie lovers something you might be able to understand now

perhaps dean is the hero in the matrix and has woken up

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will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- have life- any way
you may -never have been alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead

geee you just cant break free of your programing/socialization
we might all be halograms
figmants of a god dream
zombie playthings of some childe alien

we may not be alive in the first place

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well, we are certainly not playthings of colin dean

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but you are all playthings of logic and language-running around lead by the nose in a tangle of meaninglessness

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unless you can tell us what life is-and no one has been able to do that
then deans achievment must stand-the end of death

I find this rather amusing. A couple of interpretations jump to mind.

If you can't explain what life is, then it is either :
-meaningless; or
-doesn't exist

If it doesn't exist, then death doesn't exist
If it is meaningless, then death is meaningless

Of course the latter two conclusions are dependant on the former two interpretations being valid....but the supposition that founded them would mean that aspects of physics didn't work according to Einsteins theory of relativity before he founded it.

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Shapeless wrote:

There are those who believe the universe is some alien's science experiment, or that our entire lives are really dreams.

nightrider wrote:

how do you know we are alive- have life- any way
we might all be just part of the matrix

Thanks--you illustrated my point even more vividly than I did. As you've conveniently pointed out, your theory has exactly the same merit as the Matrix theory and the dream theory. In all three cases, the possibility that the theory is correct will always exist because they are tautological; nothing can ever prove them wrong. Consequently in all three cases, discovering that the theory is correct would change absolutely nothing.

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nothing can ever prove them wrong.

you just dont get it
so long as you use logic and language these well prove you wrong -because they lead to the meaninglessness of all views
just like dean showed you
if you cant say what life is you dont know if any one is dead

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Nope, you're the one who doesn't get it. I'm referring to your theory of meaninglessness, Dean. It's tautologically designed to be universally applicable, and therein lies its uselessness. To say that all views ultimately wind up in meaninglessness has exactly the same epistemological value as saying that all external realities are ultimately an illusion projected by the Matrix. Because they are applicable no matter what, neither theory can ever be wrong; and since they can't ever be wrong, asserting the theory has exactly the same effect as not asserting it--which is to say none at all.

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Nope, you're the one who doesn't get it. I'm referring to your theory of meaninglessness, Dean

you just dont get it do you
]meaninglessness ends in meaninglessness
why
because it was arrived at by logic and language
thesis and its antithesis end in meaninglessness -even meaninglessness can be proven wrong -becuase it is arrived at by logic and language
dean is not putting forward some nihilism
he is saying all products of thinking end in meaninglessness even meaninglessness

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@ nightrider, did you talk about nihilism or do I misinterpretation you?

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[CODE]nightrider, did you talk about nihilism or do I misinterpretation you?

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dean is not advocating nihlisms
nihlism ends in meaninglessness -like every other philosophy

meaninglessness ends in meaninglessness

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