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HANDS-ON MANDATORY FIREARMS TRAINING IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS ?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:58 am
cjhsa wrote:
littlek wrote:
Omsig, read up.

It's illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to own any gun, by federal law. In only 5 states there is no legal age limits to possess a gun. I don't know that possess and own are considered the same thing.


If true, that's a bad law. What happens if you parents die when you are little? Does the government get to take away all their guns? Bad, bad law.

Some of the Carpenter children, of Merced California, got KILLED
for obeying the California " safe storage " victim disarmament law,
when a homicidal maniac invaded their home and slaughtered
some of them with a pitchfork.

Tragicly, the family 's defensive guns were locked up,
sadly in compliance with California 's law.



The penalty for obeying gun control laws is DEATH,
in the discretion of the murderer.


http://www.grnc.org/mary_carpenter_letter.htm
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:59 am
cjhsa wrote:
So, my 11-year old's shotgun technically belongs to me. It's still his though.


Does he work out with handguns ?
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 11:00 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Any laws against people of any age
having immediate access to emergency survival equipment shud be voided,
either by repeal, or by judicial enforcement of the Bill of Rights.

that made me chuckle.

emergency survival equipment are things like flashlights, matches and pocket knives... not guns.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 11:19 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
So, my 11-year old's shotgun technically belongs to me. It's still his though.


Does he work out with handguns ?


No. But not that he shouldn't.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 12:18 pm
cjhsa wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
So, my 11-year old's shotgun technically belongs to me. It's still his though.


Does he work out with handguns ?


No. But not that he shouldn't.

I bet he 'd enjoy it.
( I did )

Tho that is a matter of personal taste.
Find out if his taste runs to revolvers or automatics.


In my experience, automatics jam too much.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 02:22 pm
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It is OBVIOUS that the federal government
has no authority to enact such a statute.


Seems pretty obvious they do since that is in fact the situation.

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Yes; a very fundamental right,
supported in the Bill of Rights by the 2nd Amendment, the 5th Amendment
the 9th Amendment, the 10th Amendment,
and by the 14th Amendment. .


Have you read the constitution? It doesn't say "You have the right to bear arms." It says "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Now, firstly, that is predicated on the defense from english soldiers - not to defend yourself against wild animals. And it certainly says a "well regulated militia" of which children are obviously NOT a part.

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Can u cite us to any authority
in support of your point of vu ?
or is that only your personal opinion of what is NICE ?

Can u remember being a child ?

Tho its been many decades,
I can remember back to my 3rd birthday,
and some of the time leading up to it.
I remember, very distinctly, that I was alone
for long periods of time on many days.
When going to school,


That isn't a point of "vu." It is the duty of the parent to guard and protect the child. The fact that your parents failed to do so does not require every child to be given a handgun.

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What NONSENSE !!!
Don 't u remember being a kid ?
Were u really ignorant of that ?
I can 't believe that u were.

We were all well armed,
and nothing ever went rong,
the same as if we were doing carpentry together,
we did not smack each other with hammers,
because we were not malicious.
( Other people ARE malicious; murderers come in all ages. )


Exactly my point. All ages. Children do not have the cognizant ability to always determine the best course of action. They act brashly and often spitefully. Kids are cruel to each other - constantly. So what about the school bullies? You just gonna let the kids shoot it out on the playground? I am aghast as how idiotic this thought is.

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OF COURSE.
Just don 't aim guns at the police,
nor anyone else, unless your well being requires defense.

I have had the police arrive at my house in NY.
I never felt a need to point any gun at them.


Again, a child very well might panic and aim the gun. Aside from that, he doesn't have to aim it at the police. It is lawful to shoot if a suspect (even a child) places hand on the gun and an officer even THINKS he may raise it to fire.


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I don 't have the energy at the moment
to argue the benefits of fonetic spelling


We've had that discussion and you failed miserably. You're not even consistent with it yourself. You cited all sorts of examples, which you claim to be phonetic (like Spanish), that are completely the opposite. So I wouldn't bother to expend the energy if I were you either.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 02:24 pm
If a kid is old enough to have a gun of his own, carry it with him and all... why not let them drive too? Why not let them vote? The constitution CLEARLY states that every citizen has the right to vote.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 07:45 pm
Region Philbis wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Any laws against people of any age
having immediate access to emergency survival equipment shud be voided,
either by repeal, or by judicial enforcement of the Bill of Rights.

that made me chuckle.

emergency survival equipment are things like flashlights, matches and pocket knives... not guns.

OK,
so if u r fishing, or hiking, or birdwatching
and a cougar attacks u, and starts to munch on your favorite leg,
u 'd wanna smack him with the flashlight,
or set him on fire with your matches,
or stab him with your pocket knife.

I 'd rather have a .44 magnum; call me eccentric.

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 07:59 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:


Quote:
If a kid is old enough to have a gun of his own, carry it with him and all...

why not let them drive too?

I have heard it alleged, by a hi school driving teacher,
that children r not biolgically able to drive,
because of inadequate co-ordination.

I do not know whether that is true or not.
( I DO know that the hi school teacher was insane. )

If thay r able to do it,
then there shud be no distinction based on age,
the same as bicycles.
Respect his liberty.

Have him pass the same road test as everyone else.




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Why not let them vote?

It is a travesty against justice.
Every citizen who is bound to obey the law
has a moral right to join in the political process.

In the absence of that,
any citizen who is excluded can claim
that the resulting government is not by consent of the governed ( HIM )
so that morally, he is not bound thereby,
as that government has no more legitimacy than a schoolyard bully.

David
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:12 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Region Philbis wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Any laws against people of any age
having immediate access to emergency survival equipment shud be voided,
either by repeal, or by judicial enforcement of the Bill of Rights.

that made me chuckle.

emergency survival equipment are things like flashlights, matches and pocket knives... not guns.

OK,
so if u r fishing, or hiking, or birdwatching
and a cougar attacks u, and starts to munch on your favorite leg,
u 'd wanna smack him with the flashlight,
or set him on fire with your matches,
or stab him with your pocket knife.

I 'd rather have a .44 magnum; call me eccentric.

David


No **** Sherlock. I've had more than a few close calls with unexpected wildlife over the years - and I don't get THAT far off the beaten path (though for most people - it's way out there). Bears, pigs, pissed off deer, rabid coons and skunks, not to mention the damn cats - big and small. Better to give yourself a fighting chance.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:14 pm
Not to mention a fighting chance for the innocent animals.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:17 pm
Innocent? I've been hunted by animals.

I don't claim to be an innocent.

Your point is lost on me.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:28 pm
cjhsa wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Region Philbis wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Any laws against people of any age
having immediate access to emergency survival equipment shud be voided,
either by repeal, or by judicial enforcement of the Bill of Rights.

that made me chuckle.

emergency survival equipment are things like flashlights, matches and pocket knives... not guns.

OK,
so if u r fishing, or hiking, or birdwatching
and a cougar attacks u, and starts to munch on your favorite leg,
u 'd wanna smack him with the flashlight,
or set him on fire with your matches,
or stab him with your pocket knife.

I 'd rather have a .44 magnum; call me eccentric.

David


No **** Sherlock. I've had more than a few close calls with unexpected wildlife over the years - and I don't get THAT far off the beaten path (though for most people - it's way out there). Bears, pigs, pissed off deer, rabid coons and skunks, not to mention the damn cats - big and small. Better to give yourself a fighting chance.

Better put a coupla rounds into the rabid ones, pretty quick.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:31 pm
What do think of the .50 mag ?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:33 pm
In a handgun round? Biggest I'll go is 10mm (Glock).

Or are you talking .50 BMG?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:45 pm
No.
The new handguns in that calibration.

I 've never shot a .50 caliber handgun.

I 've heard that thay r triple the power of a .44 magnum.

I have a .44 Magnum Ruger Superblackhawk,
but I don 't use it much; when I do,
I most ofen fire .44 special from it; big difference in recoil.

After a few rounds, .44 magnum is not fun to shoot.
It gets to be more like work.

Good for animals, tho.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:49 pm
I'd buy one if I were going in to bear country. I know my Dad's friends Bob Munger and Fred Bear carried similar caliber sidearms during their global bow hunting adventures, but far from what is available today in terms of technology and stopping power.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:55 pm
Stopping power is what it is ALL about,
( if u 'll excuse me for stating the obvious ).

I think we r going to see some good improvements
in projectile composition to get the job done;
microfragmentation for the best energy dump within the target
and avoiding overpenetration.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2007 05:46 am
I think a good idea would be to take "firearm safety courses"

Not so sure about the submachine gun thing, i doubt parents would let their kids shoot anyways.

But courses would be a good idea, what parent wouldn't want their child to know how to safely handle a firearm? just no gun handling in school that seems a bit risky Smile

if you dont then, well i dont know hehe.
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