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Christopher Hitchens dared say what he thought re Bob Hope

 
 
Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 10:15 am
I never thought anyone would say publically what I thought privately about Bob Hope's humor. Hope was wonderful with the troops over the decades. But I never liked his humor. I know this terrible failure on my part will bring me lots of slings and arrows, especially from Veterans, but from a very young age I thought Bob Hope was the least funny person in the business.

So go ahead and beat me up for my heresy. 2 Cents

BumbleBeeBoogie
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Hopeless
Did Bob Hope ever say anything funny?
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Friday, August 1, 2003, at 12:17 PM PT

Warmed-over wit

To be paralyzingly, painfully, hopelessly unfunny is not a particular defect or shortcoming in, say, a cable repair man or a Supreme Court justice or a Navy Seal. These jobs can be performed humorlessly with no loss of efficiency or impact. But to be paralyzingly, painfully, hopelessly unfunny is a serious drawback, even lapse, in a comedian. And the late Bob Hope devoted a fantastically successful and well-remunerated lifetime to showing that a truly unfunny man can make it as a comic. There is a laugh here, but it is on us.

Give a man a reputation as an early riser, said Mark Twain, and that man can thereafter sleep until noon. Quick, then?-what is your favorite Bob Hope gag? It wouldn't take you long if I challenged you on Milton Berle, or Woody Allen, or John Cleese, or even (for the older customers) Lenny Bruce or Mort Sahl. By this time tomorrow, I bet you haven't come up with a real joke for which Hope could take credit.


Poor Vincent Canby was really up against it in last Tuesday's New York Times, which awarded him acres of space to celebrate the passing of a national laff-meister. Canby, who died three years ago, must have been glad he wouldn't live to see his Hope obituary in print. Read this without writhing, if you can:

Mr Hope was often at his best sticking barbs in politicians. In Bob Hope: My Life in Jokes, his daughter Linda helped compile some of his jibes decade by decade. His perspective on the 1984 presidential race between Ronald Reagan and Walter F. Mondale was vintage Hope, a theme and variations with only the slightest pause for laughter. "Hey, what a victory for the Reagans … or, as they're now being referred to … 'Dynasty.' "

"I wonder if anyone woke up the president and told him."

"Mondale knew this was gonna be a bad day when he called Dial-a-Prayer and the taped message answered him by name."

Canby went on like this, in descending order of lameness and cliché. ("Only the slightest pause for laughter," indeed.) It's always a bad sign when a Times reporter has to signal the fact that he's dealing with wit. Some of them do this by resorting to the stale words "he quipped," or "he shot back," lest we miss the "barb" altogether. By the time he was halfway through his trudging obit, Canby was reduced to telegraphing the punch without any code at all. Hope and comedy partner George Byrne at one point "did a little of everything, including the playing of saxophones, a blackface routine and for another brief period were the dancing partners for Daisy and Violet Hilton, the celebrated Siamese twins. ('They're too much of a woman for me,' Mr. Hope joked.)" So why not "Mr. Hope observed"? Was Canby afraid we might miss it?

This is comedy for people who have no sense of humor and who come determined to be entertained and laugh to show that they "get it." Hope had a huge vault of material, much of it mercifully unused, that was amassed by "researchers" and cross-indexed by subject. The great thing, for him, was to be able to bang on the existing funny bone by daring, say, to make a gag out of Reagan's notorious propensity for naps.

It's true that Hope had a mobile face and could twist it to look suggestive or leering (though he wasn't in the same class as Benny Hill or John Cleese in this respect). The idea that all women are attractive, not especially thigh-slapping as a concept in itself, can often work with audiences who are very easily pleased and whose members don't want to be left out of the general mirth. The sexlessness of Hope's routines, however, was just another clue to their essential conformism and cowardice. Eye-rolling and wolf-whistling are among the weakest forms of crowd pleasing that we possess. And Hope never stretched or challenged an audience in his life. For him, the safe and antique moves were the best, if not the only. The smirk was principally one of risk-free self-congratulation.

I saw him twice, and both times he was playing, as he often did, to the soft-centered Brit or Anglophile culture. At an evening dedicated to Prince Philip at Merv Griffin's Beverly Hilton, Hope got up and told of how he left England at the age of 3. "It was either that," he said, "or marry the girl." The timing was OK, consisting as it did of a long pause. The next time I caught the act was at the British Embassy in Washington, where the ambassador did the intro and tried to wow the crowd by telling "Bob's" favorite reminiscence, which was that he left England at the age of 3, having discovered that he could never become king. These are the kinds of joke that keep things going at golf clubs or Rotary dinners: They are harmless and sentimental and have no intrinsic humor. A Bob Hope joke was no laughing matter: It was a bland attempt at what we would now yawningly call inclusiveness.

There were many cringe-making references last week to Hope's doggedness in entertaining the brave boys overseas. I have met more than one veteran who says that those USO concerts were the last straw. Here's Canby, extracting the last ounce of brilliance from a Hope gag in Saigon after an officers' billet had been blown up by the Vietcong. "I was on the way to my hotel, and I passed another hotel going in the opposite direction." Nobody had the bad taste to recall the moment at which Hope was openly booed by the grunts in Vietnam: He was to the comedy of the war what Nixon was to its negotiation and what Billy Graham was to its husky religiosity.

Even the most determinedly fawning obituarists had to concede that most of his movies and many of his "joke" anthologies were basically insulting in their unfunniness. Elvis Mitchell in the New York Times, stuck with writing an appreciation on the same day as Canby's labored obituary (and stuck by the newspaper with the exact same vaudeville photograph as illustration) fell back on the exhausted line that Hope always played the same character, which was Bob Hope. A fitting tautology. Hope was a fool, and nearly a clown, but he was never even remotely a comedian.
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Gala
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 12:03 pm
Heresy? No way. I never thought he was funny. He made a career out of the blonde, brunette, redhead leering thing. Totally boring. And he had no sex appeal, just a sanitized white guy who portrayed himself as hapless.
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Vivien
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 12:06 pm
I agree - but then how on earth did Bing Crosby get to be famous????? i can't stand his singing or his songs and he is nothing in the looks/sex appeal/charm department so what did he have???? there were a few strange choices for stars in that era.
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Eva
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 12:12 pm
Keynote speaker. Just very good at it, and very persistent.

I remember seeing him on a talk show sometime during the last 10 years. It changed my opinion of him completely. He was whining about his California neighbors & property board opposing some sort of development he had in mind. He took this "poor, put-upon" stance, assuming everyone would be on his side...as though "Bob Hope" could do nothing wrong. I thought it showed him at his worst.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 12:17 pm
Wrapped himself in the flag, Hope did, or perhaps it would be fairer to surmise that he allowed himself to be wrapped therein.

He had a lot of pictures of him taken with service men, lived a long time, and told a lot of lowest common denominator jokes.

Maybe he's the joke we're telling on ourselves when we make a big deal out of him.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:19 pm
I never thought he was funny.

But, I thought his life was nothing short of a benevolent public service, because he took movie stars and entertainment to our troops overseas. He didn't forget them, and because of him--more of us didn't forget them, either.

I think he was a memorable public servant, who told very lame jokes.
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Violet Lake
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:25 pm
Yes, but when you compare him with someone like Ed McMahon, you realize the guy should get a statue or something Laughing
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Montana
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:28 pm
I'm with the others in saying that I never thought he was funny.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:29 pm
So he had some warts. Most of us do. I don't recall ever laughing at his jokes, but people loved something in his personality and the way he was there for the troops overseas. He made a lot of guys away from home happy for a few minutes. I also think it's wrong to confuse the public star with the private portion of their life. If the happy go lucky actor is a grumpy fart in private, so what? There are plenty of stars I would not like in private, but whom I like to see work their craft.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:33 pm
How could I forget Ed MacMahon's incredible body of work! Embarrassed
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Violet Lake
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:33 pm
Edgar's right... he did what he did well. He was prime time... america's favorite corny uncle.

I'm not sure he ever made me laugh, but he probably made me smile at least once.
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Violet Lake
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:34 pm
sofia, how will we mourn his passing?

"you may have just won a trip to heaven!"
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:36 pm
Hey.
While we're at it--none of those cornballs made me laugh.
Milton Berle? (Only laughed at how he looked in drag.)
Red Skelton? Nah.
George Burns? Maybe a smile or two.
Were any of those guys REALLY funny?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 01:37 pm
sofia, how will we mourn his passing?

"you may have just won a trip to heaven!"
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Hey-oooooooooooooooooo...
Tip a bottle of vodka. :wink:
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Eva
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 09:25 pm
You're right, edgarblythe. We all have our faults. Hopefully we will be remembered for our best qualities, though. Hope certainly deserves to be remembered for his service to our troops.

I notice you started another thread on this. And again, you're right. We're not being very charitable to the dead. Speaking for myself, it's just a backlash against the over-the-top eulogizing. I will stop now, and I'm sorry if I offended.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2003 10:30 pm
Bob Hope was about as funny as cardboard, but compare him to Jerry Lewis and you find a comedic genius.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2003 06:19 am
No, I never thought that Bob Hope was particularly hilarious, but he was a man of his time. What he DID do was put his ass on the line by going overseas to cheer up the troops.

How many of today's stars would give up their cushy existence, even for a little while, to cheer up weary, dirty, depressed troops, who might be killed on a moment's notice? For that service to America, I believe that Hope is a hero, funny or not!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2003 06:43 am
phoenix
Smile
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soozoo
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2003 10:54 am
Bob Hope's overseas shows were obviously scripted and, most likely, written by others. Maybe I'm different, but I found a lot of his one-liners to be very funny. I also found an equal number (at least) to be very corny. But what made me really smile was to see the soldiers having a chance to relax, do something different, laugh at the jokes (funny or corny) and just be able to forget their real world for a couple of hours.

Bob Hope might not have been a true comedian, but he was an unselfish, caring person. Those are qualities we don't often see in celebrities of any genre.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2003 12:28 pm
Hope's humor was topical and very much of the moment, and his moment was the 30's and 40's. Unlike Mark Twain, who's humor still resonates, Hope's does not. But for the time, it was considered funny and for Hope, that was good enough.
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