When has religion irked you personally and why?

And plus...

We should always claim what is rightfully ours...

Even if other democratic-egalitarian-relativistic guys take it as a sign of arrogance...

To Cesar, what is Cesar's

[I should really charge...]

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Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. You are still a creationist without admitting it, since both are the same.

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littlek wrote:

I don't know if anyone here is saying that creation and creationism is the same thing.

Read and you'll see. You're among them.

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It seems to me that you are splitting hairs. And that may be a very important point to you, but to me, it seem very trivial.

This may be a sign of you being new to these affairs.

Go and talk to the pros (scientists, biblical scholars), and they do see the difference, which is very relevant to their discussions.

So you should also thank me for having taken the trouble to explain something new.

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edgarblythe wrote:

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. You are still a creationist without admitting it, since both are the same.

Nice cap, Edgar!

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maligar, while the common discourse advocates that catching flies is easily done with honey, your approach of luring those pesky critters with dead squirrels may be utiliarian but its seldom approved of by the public health department.

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maliagar wrote:

I wonder about your anecdotal experiences...

It's no mystery, just ask. I didn't posit them as empirical so this is moot for the purposes of this exchange.

maliagar wrote:

In any case, I repeat for it is true: Creationism is not an issue in Latin America or Europe, among mainstream Protestants, Catholic, and Orthodox. Are you really prepared to deny this? Or you just want to say that you lived in Latin America?

Nope, I had actually just wanted to let you know that you had. ;-) And that I want to visit your homeland someday. It was on my priorities to visit while there.

Anywho yes, I contest that creation is not an issue in South America, it is an issue central to any debate between theists and atheists, what is less of an issue is the conflict between secularism and religion with far less political elements involved. In South America religion simply isn't a huge issue. The rate of theism in some South American nations is such that it's hard to find atheists and therefore less contetion about how education will be standardized etc.

But this, again, is a digression. You believe in creation. That was all that was said. You don't deny that do you?

maliagar wrote:

And that's supposed to be a discovery?

See, it was no biggie wuzit?

maliagar wrote:

In case anybody doesn't know: Guys, I confess: I'm a Christian.

There, there, nobody's perfect. :wink:

maliagar wrote:

And in case anybody doesn't know, Christians believe in creation.

This is where the healing begins... :wink:

maliagar wrote:

Now, a few certainly didn't know this: Creationism is not just believing in creation. It is a much more specific thing:

And I guess this is where the digression fires up again. Mal, all that lil'k asked was if you are a creationist. You believe in creation but over a logomachy took it as an insult and now are talking about charging for classes. It was really no biggie. 'Believer-in-creation' just doesn't roll off the tongue.

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Stick a fork in 'im; he's done.

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the parrot is dead i tell you!!!
he's only sleeping.

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maliagar wrote:

Wow!

And I thought I was already popular around here!!!

All of a sudden we have Phoenix32890, NeoGuin, Wilso, edgarblythe, JLNobody, ossobuco, CodeBorg, and husker coming to the aid of Craven (not to speak of Cavfancier, who just follows the crowd)...

I wonder who's the one who called for your help, guys! (I can almost guess who it was...)

Too bad that you're not really addressing the issues... just expressing your phobias ("fears" in Greek, you know?).

Nevermind... I'd love to deal with every single fear of yours, but hey, I have a family to support.

Craven already failed to provide evidence for his views... just like some other guy failed some time ago (his first name starts with an F and his last name with an A... Yep! You guessed it!).

Later on today I'll give you my summary of my discussion with Craven (for pedagogical purposes).

[Hey, Husker, I think you should really slow down a bit, and meditate on whose side you really are...]

Blessings.

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Only just read this post. It needs a reply. I saw a woman on a talk show in Australia, who had let her 6 year old daughter die, rather than recieve a blood transfusion. She is no longer a member of the Jehova's witness sect. But that doesn't help her child, who was never given the opportunity to make her own decision on whether to accept the sick teachings of these murdering scum. The continued existence of religion is based on the ability to indoctrinate people when they are too young to realise just was a stupid assertion it is to claim that the universe was created by an omnipotent fairy waving his magic hand.

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Hi Wilso, Missed you, guy. Long time no see! Glad to see you again.

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Thanks c.i.

I'm trying to stay in control.

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Wilso- Hi! I find that the best thing for me to do when I want to strangle another member is to shut down the computer, and go for a walk.

Years ago, a very wise person told me, "Never put in writing, something that you would regret later". That advice has stood me in good stead over the years!

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Haven't regretted anything I've written so far.

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Ya know, maliagar, ain't nobody comin ta CdK's aid, just ain't nobody on your side. Some folks hear a different drummer, some folks bring their own to the parade.

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Wilso wrote:

...stupid assertion it is to claim that the universe was created by an omnipotent fairy waving his magic hand.

Hey, Wilso, no reason to bring homosexuality into this thread. There are other threads for that! :wink:

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With the conjecture in the past of whether God is a woman or perhaps black, why not gay? Seems like there is a paranoia within religious groups that maybe even God is allowing gays to take advantage and to take over entities. The Catholics have been making noises about the small numbers coming into the Brotherhood and making their way up the hierarchy, and that they have been basically forced to accept those they may know or suspect are gay. It's given support to accepting woman into Priesthood and allowing marriage for Priest. I agree that if one wants to accept celibacy that there is nothing wrong with the church accepting gays.

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(However, it still has a lot to do with why religion can irk someone).

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Craven de Kere wrote:

maliagar wrote:
In any case, I repeat for it is true: Creationism is not an issue in Latin America or Europe, among mainstream Protestants, Catholic, and Orthodox. Are you really prepared to deny this? Or you just want to say that you lived in Latin America?

Anywho yes, I contest that creation is not an issue in South America...

Playing with words to ignore the distinction between creation and creationism? Not too smart. And not too interesting (for me).

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Mal, all that lil'k asked was if you are a creationist.

And I'm enlightening you and all the others who do not have the terminology to understand these discussions.

And I'm doing it free of charge.

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Yes, free from logic and support. Wink

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