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WHY are DEVILS CREATED?

 
 
Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 07:03 pm
Almighty God created Satan and evils; what is the wisdom in it? Isn't the creation of evil, evil, and the creation of bad, bad?

T h e A n s w e r : God forbid, the creation of evil is not evil, the desire for or inclination towards evil, rather, is evil. For creation and bringing into existence look to all the consequences, whereas such desire looks to a particular result, since it is a particular relation. For example, there are thousands of consequences of rain falling, and all of them are good. If through ill choice, some people receive harm from the rain, they cannot say that the creation of rain is not mercy, they cannot state that the creation of rain is evil. Rather, it is due to their ill choice and inclination that it is evil for them. Also, there are numerous benefits in the creation of fire, and all of them are good. But if some people receive harm from fire through their misuse of it and their wrong choice, they cannot say that the creation of fire is evil, because it was not only created to burn them. Rather, they thrust their hands into the fire while cooking the food through ill choice, and made that servant inimical to themselves.
In Short: The lesser evil is acceptable for the greater good. If an evil which will lead to a greater good is abandoned so that a lesser evil should not be, a greater evil will then have been perpetrated. For example, there are certainly some minor material and physical harms and evils in sending soldiers to fight a jihad, but in the jihad is a greater good whereby Islam is saved from being conquered by infidels. If the jihad is abandoned due to those lesser evils, then the greater evil will come after the greater good has gone. And that is absolute wrong. And for example, to amputate a finger which is infected with gangrene and has to be amputated is good and right, although it is apparently an evil. For if it is not amputated, the hand will be amputated, and that would be a greater evil.


Thus, the creation and bringing into existence of evils, harms, tribulations, satans, and harmful things, is not evil and bad, for they are created for many important results. For example, satans have not been set to pester the angels, and the angels cannot progress; their degrees are fixed and deficient. However, in the world of humanity the degrees of progress and decline are infinite. There is an extremely long distance through which to progress, from the Nimrod's and Pharaoh's as far as the veracious saints and the prophets.

Thus, through the creation of satans and the mystery of man's responsibility and the sending of prophets, an arena of trial and examination and striving and competition has been opened so that coal-like base spirits may be differentiated and separated out from diamond-like elevated spirits. If there had been no striving and competition, the potentialities in the mine of humanity which are like diamonds and coal would have remained equal. The spirit of Abu Bakr the Veracious at the highest of the high would have remained on the same level as that of Abu Jahl at the lowest of the law. This means that since the creation of satans and evils looks to great and universal results, their being brought into existence is not evil or bad. The evils and instances of bad that arise from abuses and the particular causes known as inclination or choice pertain to man's choice, not to Divine creation.

If you ask? The majority of humanity become unbelievers due to the existence of Satan and embrace unbelief and suffer harm, despite the sending of prophets: If, according to the rule, "the majority has the word," the majority suffers evil as a result, then the creation of evil is evil, and it may even be said that the sending of prophets is not a mercy. Is that not so?

The Answer: Quantity has no importance in relation to quality. The true majority looks to quality. For example, if. there are a hundred seeds of the date-palm and they are not put beneath the earth and watered and so do not undergo a chemical reaction and manifest a struggle for life, they are only a hundred seeds worth virtually nothing. But If they are watered and are subject to the struggle for life, and then eighty out of the hundred rot due to their faulty make-up, but twenty become fruit-bearing trees, can you say, "watering them was evil because most of them ratted?" Of course, you cannot say that, for that twenty have become like twenty thousand. One who loses eighty and gains twenty thousand suffers no harm and it cannot be evil.

And for example, if a peahen lays one hundred eggs, and they are worth five hundred kurush. If the hen sits on the hundred eggs and eighty are spoilt and twenty hatch into peacocks, can it be said that there was a high loss and the affair was evil; that it was bad to put the broody hen on the eggs and an evil occurred? No, it is not thus, it is rather a good. For the peacock species and egg family lost eighty eggs worth four hundred kurush, but gained twenty peacocks worth eighty liras.

Thus, through the sending of prophets and the mystery of man's responsibility, and through striving, and fighting with satans, in return for the hundreds of thousands of prophets and millions of saints and thousands of millions of purified scholars they have gained, who are like the suns, moons, and stars of the world of humanity mankind has lost the unbelievers and dissemblers, who are numerous in regard to quantity, insignificant in regard to quantity, and like harmful beasts.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 08:11 pm
Satan was perfect but had free will. He chose to become Satan as his cohorts chose to become demons.

Scriptures available on request.

Oh, and welcome to a2k, belike.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 08:22 pm
If he was so perfect, how could he choose evil?
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 10:51 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
If he was so perfect, how could he choose evil?
Good title for a thread.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 03:45 am
maybe being evil isnt a flaw Smile
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 06:59 am
Belike 'Nother is just one more copy and paste artist who is not sufficiently honest to link his sources.

Here is the source of this dishonest copy and paste job--the text of this screed can be found under the rubric "Second Question."

This joker is simply quoting Bediuzzaman Said Nursi's commentaries on the Quran. Neo, you can bet your last cup of coffee that this joker hasn't the least interest in your exegesis.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 09:23 am
Setanta wrote:
. . . Neo, you can bet your last cup of coffee that this joker hasn't the least interest in your exegesis.
Seems to have disappeared as well.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 09:24 am
Probably just ran off to copy more screed to be pasted here.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 09:25 am
We get the same sh*t from Christians, and atheists, too. Ya gotta wonder just what the hell they think they'll accomplish.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 09:27 am
Mornin' Set.
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belikenother
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 11:47 am
The most distinctive feature of a soul overflowing with faith is to love all types of love that are expressed in deeds, and to feel enmity for all deeds in which enmity is expressed. To hate everything is a sign of insanity or of infatuation with Satan
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 12:02 pm
neologist wrote:
Mornin' Set.


Well, of course, it ain't morning here any longer . . . but as it is for you, good morning, Boss.

Maybe i'll go make a cup of coffee.

Do you hear something? Some buzzing noise? Must have been my imagination.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 12:09 pm
I'll bet it was morning when I first posted it. The weather is getting so hot here, I can't stand the idea of hot coffee.

Did you ever have a Frappuccino or a Big Train? They are blended iced coffee drinks. Brain-freeze cold but loaded with calories. One sounds pretty good right now.
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IFeelFree
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 12:11 pm
belikenother wrote:
The most distinctive feature of a soul overflowing with faith is to love all types of love that are expressed in deeds, and to feel enmity for all deeds in which enmity is expressed. To hate everything is a sign of insanity or of infatuation with Satan

Is the suicide bomber acting out of faith and love for God, or enmity?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 12:14 pm
Frappuccino sounds as though it were an incestuous Italian sex act.

In "real" Vietnamese restaurants, they serve "planter's coffee," which you used to get in Hue, and which was basically iced café au lait that had been sweetened. (The French don't sweeten your garden variety café au lait, although they will if you ask them, after rolling their eyes melodramatically, and sighing loudly enough to be heard across the street.)

I'd prefer a simple planter's coffee, and will go make one. I don't want to drink something which is so easy to misspell.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 12:27 pm
Setanta wrote:
Frappuccino sounds as though it were an incestuous Italian sex act.

In "real" Vietnamese restaurants, they serve "planter's coffee," which you used to get in Hue, and which was basically iced café au lait that had been sweetened. (The French don't sweeten your garden variety café au lait, although they will if you ask them, after rolling their eyes melodramatically, and sighing loudly enough to be heard across the street.)

I'd prefer a simple planter's coffee, and will go make one. I don't want to drink something which is so easy to misspell.
I had to use spell check. Probably the best way of explaining a Frappuccino is to consider taking a planter's coffee and throwing it into a blender with sufficient ice to create brain freeze consistency.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 10:34 pm
WHY are DEVILS CREATED?
You buy them books, send them to school; they eat the teacher! - old Yiddish proverb.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 10:38 pm
I can't stand the idea of hot coffee.
Get some c-c-c-c-c-c-offee.
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