First artificial life 'within months'

spendius wrote:

The idea of artificial life, as I have explained, is like the idea of a five sided triangle. It is ipso facto impossible.

How do you figure that? Do you agree that a life form is made up of molecules? To create life all you have to do is arrange molecules into a particular pattern. It makes no difference who does the arranging, the result is the same: an organism that is alive.

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Not so cool feather duster wrote-

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He just doesn't quit

Why should I quit. You quit.

I didn't come on here to quit.

Your remark is typical of a socialist. They expect everybody else to get out of their way so that they can hog the megaphone and spray their nonsensical notions over the young minds who come on this site looking for expert advice.

Tinpot dictators and losers is what socialists are.

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Spendius

spendius wrote:

Not so cool feather duster wrote-

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He just doesn't quit

Why should I quit. You quit.
I didn't come on here to quit.

Your remark is typical of a socialist. They expect everybody else to get out of their way so that they can hog the megaphone and spray their nonsensical notions over the young minds who come on this site looking for expert advice.

Tinpot dictators and losers is what socialists are.

Spendius, how many Socialists do you know personally?

BBB

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I have known quite a large number of people who claimed they were socialists. Mostly trades unionists. They even seemed, superficially at least, to be socialists if one judged them by their virtuous assertions, but they were only socialists part of the time. When they were in the shops or ringing up tradesmen to get jobs done they were quite as bad as any capitalist robber baron.

They were socialists only when selling their own labour. Basically they were socialists at work and double-dyed capitalist bastards any other time. Schizophrenic in other words.

I'm a double-dyed capitalist bastard all the time.

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spendius wrote:

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He just doesn't quit

Why should I quit. You quit.

I didn't come on here to quit.

You are wrong. Spendius is a huge quitter of arguments/discussions; he just doesn't quit talking. He starts arguments, then quits them without responding to anyone's questions/rebuttals. Just look at this thread. I've already responded to him with 2 straight up questions which he has ignored.

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spendi: I'm a double-dyed capitalist bastard all the time.

We wouldn't know that from all your posts about this very subject. You seem more a contrarian than a dyed-in-the-wool capitalist. One example is that you speak out against airplanes, because they use too much fuel.

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stuh wrote-

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I've already responded to him with 2 straight up questions which he has ignored.

I thought them to be stupid questions and I didn't wish to hurt your feelings by informing you of that fact.

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How do you figure that? Do you agree that a life form is made up of molecules? To create life all you have to do is arrange molecules into a particular pattern. It makes no difference who does the arranging, the result is the same: an organism that is alive.

That is an exceedigly stupid question in my opinion. I felt quite stumped in thinking up an answer which would be in keeping with my polite and gentlemanly "live and let live" nature.

The other question has fallen off the bottom of the "post reply" page but I can hardly be expected to remember what it was after the one quoted had caused my brain to shut down. I'll have a go on the Trivia threads to see if I can get it started up again.

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I have changed "leap" to "alps" in the "Change One Letter" game and I'm back ticking over. (It's a suicide joke in rather bad taste I'll admit.)

The only other possibility of a second question that I could see from stuh is this-

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Spendius

1) Read the first paragraph of your own quote
2) Any definition of life that excludes a mule or eunuch from being alive is clearly wrong

Has anybody got any idea how to go about answering a question like that?

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Hahahaa!! Hurt my feelings by calling me stupid! Let's be real here...I am just humoring a talking rock, which is you.

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stuh, The talking rock is full of amusement; many have "followed" these threads where spendi spends his time - outside his pub time.

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rosborne979 wrote:

farmerman wrote:
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So this organism would start off at a disadvantage, not having any junk to work with. But junk would eventually accumulate...
Its no different than my home. My home is a record of stages of our lives from pre-child to post child and all the hobbies and diversions between. Theres no real rule that all the codons need occur in groups of three. Maybe all artificial lifeforms will have tetra based enzymes and proteins. Just because our planets life took one direction doesnt mean that lab life couldnt go another.

I know, that's why I asked, what are they going to make?

What 'life' design are they going to start with?

farmerman wrote:
I see that spendi is standing in the road with his placard that states how TV will rot your childrens minds.

Ignore him. Otherwise he will turn the discussion to himself and another potentially interesting thread will be polluted beyond repair.

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Stuh, Im afraid that you are maligning rocks. You are , of course correct about the chain of molecules concept. Bc -phages and virii are the simplest organizations of these molecules. Sugars, poteins, with potentials to produce other proteins and enzymes to modify its environment. A number of people are invested in the belief that theres a mysterious guiding hand at work so Venters crew is a bit of a seismic wave for them.
So what? If all the idiots want to believe in something that is evidenced false, let em jabber.

Now that our English friend has announced the consitions upon which he responds to folks questions, I shall adopt the same policy with him. At least, hereafter, I wont get annoyed at his profound ignorance while claiming hes a "scientist" , PErhaps hes a scientist in the sense of Mary Baker Eddy

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fm-

Have a go willya at answering stuh's only question-

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How do you figure that? Do you agree that a life form is made up of molecules? To create life all you have to do is arrange molecules into a particular pattern. It makes no difference who does the arranging, the result is the same: an organism that is alive.

from any point of view you fancy.

It stumped me. Were I asked it in the pub I would produce a glassy-eyed stare before moving along the bar to where tomorrow's big race was being analysed or some decent cleavage was in view.

I will answer any question I am able to (not personal ones) which is something you have failed to do on numerous occasions and usually without offering a reason.

I just didn't understand stuh's question. How could I possibly provide an answer other than the response I gave under such a circumstance. Perhaps you might explain the question as well.

It was as if I had been asked to explain how Scottie beamed up Captain Kirk so efficiently without recourse to literary principles.

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go play with yourself.

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Defeated again fm. Lost for words are we?

If you can't explain stuh's question you ought to be able to understand why I couldn't understand it. And any question I can't understand I obviously cannot answer and thus your remark-

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Now that our English friend has announced the consitions upon which he responds to folks questions, I shall adopt the same policy with him.

There's nothing worth remarking about if the condition for answering questions is that they be understood. Everybody knows that.

But you must have understood my request to explain and answer stuh's question so that is a different condition. Not everybody knows that one. You are not answering when you have understood.

You could easily have answered that you could neither explain it or answer it, as I did. But that would have put you in the position of agreeing with me about the question and that will never do will it so off you go into the playground response and everybody know what that means. Prevention of cracks in the anti-ID coalition are worth sacrificing objectivity and dignity for any day.

It's a pity we can't see you storming out of the door.

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spendius wrote:
The idea of artificial life, as I have explained, is like the idea of a five sided triangle. It is ipso facto impossible.

How do you figure that? Do you agree that a life form is made up of molecules? To create life all you have to do is arrange molecules into a particular pattern. It makes no difference who does the arranging, the result is the same: an organism that is alive.

Spendius, you should note that my question is the initial sentence. Also, note that the word "that" refers to your statement that artificial life is impossible. Therefore, my question is (exactly):

How do you [Spendius] figure that artificial life is fundamentally impossible?

The rest of my response is not part of the question -- it was written to indicate exactly why I felt clarification on your part was necessary.

You have asked farmerman to have a go at answering my question. However, since the question is merely asking you to explain yourself, it would not be possible for farmerman to answer the question without first dissecting your brain and analyzing it with some more advanced instrumentation than is currently available.

You say that the question stumps you, it confuses you. I guess that means that your own statement confuses you, since I was only asking for clarification of how you considered it correct given the fact that an organism is simply a collection of molecules arranged in a precise fashion, and there is nothing fundamentally impossible about artificially arranging molecules.

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stuh505 wrote:

You have asked farmerman to have a go at answering my question. However, since the question is merely asking you to explain yourself, it would not be possible for farmerman to answer the question without first dissecting your brain...

Now thers's an idea. Sometimes you crack me up kid Smile

I picture Spendi's mushmellon stored on the "Abbey Normal" shelf of Young Frankenstein.

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Glad to make you chuckle

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stuh wrote-

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How do you [Spendius] figure that artificial life is fundamentally impossible?

I did answer it earlier. The expression "artificial life" is an oxycretin.

My request to fm was to explain how one answers a question one doesn't understand such as one in double-Dutch when one isn't familar with that language.

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Double Dutch is a style of skipping rope with two ropes, two rope holders and one little girl skipping. It isn't a language. Even your metaphors, or whatever trope you meant that as, are silly.

Saying artifical life is an oxymoron is no answer to why you think biologists can't create new life forms. It's an avoidance of the question, particularly since it looks like they're well on the way to doing it.

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