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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 01:19 pm
I need an example of the situation when someone is loved and admired by everyone around him/her, but behaves aggressively and self-destructively for unknown reasons and can't be helped.
Is there a name for that in psychoanalysis?
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 01:20 pm
It may be connected with stardom. Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, etc.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 06:35 pm
Re: Self-destruction
literarypoland wrote:
I need an example of the situation when someone is loved and admired by everyone around him/her,
but behaves aggressively and self-destructively for unknown reasons and can't be helped.

Is there a name for that in psychoanalysis?

U can Google psychoanalytical definitions,
in quest of what u seek.
David
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stuh505
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 07:16 pm
my grandmother wrote a book about it, she calls it "self defeating behavior."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 07:23 pm
I believe a good example of self defeating behavior
was the Japs hitting Pearl Harbor.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 07:29 pm
I believe a good example of self defeating behavior
is OmSickDavid posting his thoughts on a public/private forum.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 07:32 pm
I 'll accept that as a compliment
from someone who sees everything backward.
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:07 am
And what are the sources of such behavior? To summarize them in one sentence.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 08:52 am
literarypoland wrote:
And what are the sources of such behavior?
To summarize them in one sentence.

I don 't consider myself necessarily to be a competent psychologist;
I just took a few courses in it in college.

One possible source is guilt.
There might be other possibilities.


I like your avatar.
Do u wish to tell us about yourself ? in your profile ?

David
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 09:17 am
In Polish we have the expression: "to pet somebody do death". Did this happen to your stars?

As for me: I've tested myself on the Internet and I have strong artistic abilities in the fields of literature and photography. I graduated from one of our major universities in the 1990s. Professionally, I'm a translator specializing in novels and long brochures, with about 5000 pages behind me. I've just been expelled from the English forum here as too professional to be helped. They are right!
I've also tested myself for political views. In America, I would be in the right wing of the Democratic Party or even close to Lieberman.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 10:58 am
literarypoland wrote:


Quote:
In Polish we have the expression: "to pet somebody do death".


Did this happen to your stars?

I doubt that I understand u correctly.

1 ) I assert no proprietary interest in any stars, regardless of the fact that I am in orbit around one.

2 ) Petting is inconsistent with phenomena
of temperature and gravity inherent in stars.





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As for me: I've tested myself on the Internet and I have strong artistic abilities in the fields of literature and photography. I graduated from one of our major universities in the 1990s. Professionally, I'm a translator specializing in novels and long brochures, with about 5000 pages behind me.

I've just been expelled from the English forum here
as too professional to be helped
. They are right!

I 've never known anyone who has been expelled b4.
I better stay away from that forum,
because of my profession ( law ).
R u in Poland ?

Inasmuch as we have just met, and we r on the subject of language,
I shud let u know that after several decades of using conventional English spelling,
I have rejected that paradime insofar as it is non-fonetic.
Non-fonetic spelling of English is inefficient, an offence against reason, and wasteful.
I favor the sound logic of Spanish, which is almost fully fonetic,
and children need not be told how to spell any more than thay need to be told
how to cause their livers to function.

I deem it child abuse, and a disservice to future generations,
to perpetuate the non-fonetic part of English.
Everything shud be spelled as it is pronounced.
I am sure that will become the case; I like to help accelerate the process
of ripping down the old paradime by demonstrating
that there is an easier n faster way to do it.



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I've also tested myself for political views.
In America, I would be in the right wing of the Democratic Party
or even close to Lieberman.

In America, we tend to think of the Southern Democrats as being on the right wing.
Many of them became Republicans when Goldwater ran for President in 1964.
I voted for Goldwater.
To my mind ( and to the mind of Barry Goldwater )
being right wing means closely adhering to the liberty minded
point of vu of the Founders: Washington, Madison, and Jefferson et al.
This is a filosofy ( philosophy ) of individualism and l'aissez faire libertarianism.

I find that a good test of ideology is where one stands on the right
of a citizen to defend his life and other property
from the violence of criminals or animals,
and the right to possession of the emergency equipment ( loaded guns )
that is necessary to enforce that right, ( this is the right wing point of vu )
or
( the left wing vu point )
that there shud be a DOCILE citizenry who must take their chances
as to predatory violence, being reduced only to begging for mercy in the face of criminal violence.

Do u care to identify where u stand in this regard ?



Is Lieberman right wing ?

David
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 11:11 am
literarypoland wrote:
I've just been expelled from the English forum here as too professional to be helped.


This is a lie. No one "expelled" you, no one involved has either the power, nor the interest in you, to take such action. You have been repeatedly asked to provide context for the expressions about which you ask, so that a reasonable answer can be given you. That last thread which you posted is a perfect example--without context, no one could realistically answer your question. Your decision that you had enough to answer your question was foolish, because your question wasn't even rational in terms either of the English language, nor social etiquette conventions in the English-speaking world. Without some context, it wasn't reasonable to expect a cogent answer, or to assume that you got the information you needed. Your translation may well be flawed because you decided you had gotten the answer you needed, when in fact, you may be completely mistaken.

No one expelled you, people simply told you that they were tired of attempting to answer your questions while you continually ignored polite requests to provide the context.

You have a serious ego problem. I'll bet you don't take hot showers because you don't want to fog the mirrors.
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 09:23 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I find that a good test of ideology is where one stands on the right
of a citizen to defend his life and other property
from the violence of criminals or animals,
and the right to possession of the emergency equipment ( loaded guns )
that is necessary to enforce that right, ( this is the right wing point of vu )
or
( the left wing vu point )
that there shud be a DOCILE citizenry who must take their chances
as to predatory violence, being reduced only to begging for mercy in the face of criminal violence.

Do u care to identify where u stand in this regard ?

David


I'm in Poland with Warsaw as its capital. I'm in a town in a remote area of the country, but the town is quite modern thanks to various investors, foreign and Polish.

Lieberman has just supported some sort of attack against Iran. From what I understand, he sometimes votes with the GOP, and sometimes with Democrats.
Personally, I think that strikes against nuclear installations are much better than Iraq-type invasions.

I meant the right wing OF Dems, not the right wing of the whole spectrum.

As to guns, I was in the army (for three months) and I know how to operate a Kalashnikov.

Keeping guns at home is not greatly popular here. The level of violent crime has fallen in recent years after the end of the transitional period when mafias were rampant. But you can get the permission and protect yourself. In the 1990s, when someone shot a burglar dead, he/she was sent to prison, nowadays it is thought of as justified defence.

I just don't feel the need to have a gun. The police finally caught up with the bandits and are now a strong presence in the streets.

But the right is there and we don't even have (yet?) a vocal organization fighting against guns.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 03:31 pm
literarypoland wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I find that a good test of ideology is where one stands on the right
of a citizen to defend his life and other property
from the violence of criminals or animals,
and the right to possession of the emergency equipment ( loaded guns )
that is necessary to enforce that right, ( this is the right wing point of vu )
or
( the left wing vu point )
that there shud be a DOCILE citizenry who must take their chances
as to predatory violence, being reduced only to begging for mercy in the face of criminal violence.

Do u care to identify where u stand in this regard ?

David


Quote:
I'm in Poland with Warsaw as its capital.
I'm in a town in a remote area of the country, but the town is quite modern
thanks to various investors, foreign and Polish.

Your English is flawless.
How did u learn to speak n write English ?




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Lieberman has just supported some sort of attack against Iran.

Being right wing means being conservative,
since the French parliament when the conservatives
( supporting the King ) sat on the right.
In America, being conservative means supporting the principles
of individualism and l'aissez faire libertarianism of the Founders of the Constitution.

I do not believe that CONTINUING our war on Iraq
is necessarily in accord with those principles,
now that the threats of Saddam and his evil princes have been removed.


Quote:

From what I understand, he sometimes votes with the GOP,
and sometimes with Democrats.

This is fairly common.
It is not unusual for either side to do that,
depending upon the issue involved.



Quote:
Personally, I think that strikes against nuclear installations
are much better than Iraq-type invasions.

So stipulated.


Quote:
I meant the right wing OF Dems, not the right wing of the whole spectrum.

As to guns, I was in the army (for three months)
and I know how to operate a Kalashnikov.

An admirable weapon that justifies its popularity.
It a shame that Kalashnikov never got any royalites on it.
Poor Kalashnikov.




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Keeping guns at home is not greatly popular here.
The level of violent crime has fallen in recent years after the end of
the transitional period when mafias were rampant. But you can get the
permission and protect yourself. In the 1990s, when someone shot a
burglar dead, he/she was sent to prison,
nowadays it is thought of as justified defence.

What do u think of personal liberty in Poland now ?


How good r the restaurants in Poland ?
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 01:50 am
Well, my English is not so perfect, and better in writing than in speaking. It comes from having read thousands of pages in books, on the Internet, from listening to broadcasts.

"What do u think of personal liberty in Poland now ?
How good r the restaurants in Poland ?"

All the democratic freedoms are in force. Now we have a right-wing government here (friends of Bush and Sarkozy), which is vilified in the West for being anti-homosexual, for example. The Kaczynski brothers (no connection with the Unabomber) are patriotic conservatives, with ties to the Church. They are strongly anti-Communist or even anti-Socialist, but opposition exists. This government is not popular because so far it has offered mainly stagnation. Generally, since 1989, every 4 years, very regularly, right-wing and left-wing govs have replaced each other, with mostly the same faces.

You'd certainly find good restaurants in Poland, it's a popular business here.

Poland is still very pro-American, here between Germany and Russia.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 04:20 pm
literarypoland wrote:


Quote:
Well, my English is not so perfect, and better in writing than in speaking.
It comes from having read thousands of pages in books, on the Internet, from listening to broadcasts.

Is Polish a fonetic language ?

Is it spelled as the words are pronounced ?






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All the democratic freedoms are in force. Now we have a right-wing government here (friends of Bush and Sarkozy), which is vilified in the West for being anti-homosexual, for example. The Kaczynski brothers (no connection with the Unabomber) are patriotic conservatives, with ties to the Church. They are strongly anti-Communist or even anti-Socialist, but opposition exists. This government is not popular because so far it has offered mainly stagnation. Generally, since 1989, every 4 years, very regularly, right-wing and left-wing govs have replaced each other, with mostly the same faces.

What did u think of life under the communists ?





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You'd certainly find good restaurants in Poland,
it's a popular business here.

What is the best restaurant in Warsaw ?





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Poland is still very pro-American, here between Germany and Russia.

It is in NATO, right ?

Do u feel any danger from Russia ?
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:27 am
Yes, Polish is a phonetic language. Not such a secret, spontaneous code as English. Of course, we have lots of words coming from Latin, the language of the Church and the state in the Middle Ages.

As to Communism, there was one good thing then. Books were very cheap. But some Western books were banned, though not so many. You couldn't read Orwell or watch James Bond, because these were strongly anti-Communist. But books by Moravia, Hemingway, Styron, Marquez, Llosa were published in gigantic popular editions. You could watch all the "artistic" Western movies, including "Star Wars", "Indiana Jones".
Nowadays every book is a luxury. Proportionally, imagine that every paperback in your bookstore costs 55$.

The rest was problems. With food, with other goods, with going abroad. But it was all a long time ago, and is slowly being forgotten. The Socialist poverty was different, with everyone more or less equal. Now we have widespread capitalist poverty of the American type. Rich whites and poor whites.

Restaurants in Warsaw. I don't know. Try best restaurant in Warsaw Poland in Google, if they are so good, they should have also pages in English.

Yes, we've been in NATO since 1999, in the EU since 2004.
Generally, Germans and Russians have the tendency to decide our fate over our heads. That's why we need NATO so much. But emotionally, we will always be closer to the Slavic Russia than to those Protestant Germans with their workoholism and murderous sprees.
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 09:55 am
More about the present Poland: twice fewer dwellings are built than under Communism. Apartments are extremely expensive while then they were practically distributed for free.
Prostitution seems to be developing quickly as the result of big appetites and difficult circumstances. The same as in Russia, Cuba or Cambodia.
Generally, this is not the German model, but rather a third world model.
When people are suddenly thrown out of socialism and put into capitalism, it's a huge shock. They learn such words as unemployment, eviction, organized crime.
The same processes will take place in Cuba if the system there falls one day.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 10:04 am
literarypoland wrote:
More about the present Poland: twice fewer dwellings are built than under Communism.
Apartments are extremely expensive while then they were practically distributed for free.

Prostitution seems to be developing quickly as the result of big appetites and difficult circumstances.
The same as in Russia, Cuba or Cambodia.

Generally, this is not the German model, but rather a third world model.
When people are suddenly thrown out of socialism and put into capitalism, it's a huge shock.
They learn such words as unemployment, eviction, organized crime.
The same processes will take place in Cuba if the system there falls one day.

Have u any thoughts about personal freedom,
regarding the death of communism ?
David






P.S.:
We shud acknowledge that none of this is your fault.
Innocent Poland was raped and enslaved by the nazis and the commies.
It was not your choice to go under communism.
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 05:38 am
Communism didn't work, despite these several pluses.
Capitalism seems to work, despite several minuses.
Generally, you can't force people to be non-egoistical, non-competitive.
It is possible to some extent in isolation.

Now a new generation is rising which doesn't remember anything from Communism. After almost 20 years it is clear that the country doesn't really prosper not because of Communism, but because of anti-Western values. These values may come from being Slavic, Catholic, close to Asia, anti-German, it's difficult to say.

When African countries gained independence, they introduced European-style democracy which ended in such chaos that after five years coups started everywhere.

Here, without great chaos, we've been moving slowly towards some sort of a government of the poor, like those in Latin America.

Under Communism, Poland was the second country after the USSR in the socialist bloc, the Warsaw Pact was signed here.

Nowadays, the national pride is at a low level.
The West should avoid punishing Poland for Communism, treating it as a conquered Vietnam. I'm not saying that it is the case, for example in the EU we are treated fairly. The EU is greatly popular here, among others because it has turned us into a major country again.
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