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Thu 10 May, 2007 09:13 am
Why so witty are Jews and African-Americans? I know!
"What must this people have suffered, that they might become thus beautiful?"?-Nietzsche
Wit is about many things but power may be its most important characteristic. I think that Jews and African Americans are successful wits in our society because wit provides them both an escape from the world's discrimination and because it provides the witty with power that serves as a defense against the strong hate and discrimination that the world showers on Jews and Blacks.
The other day I listened to an interview on NPR with Jerry Seinfeld. The interview took place many years ago before Seinfeld had made his appearance on the "Jerry Seinfeld" show. Jerry said something that surprised and impressed me. Jerry made it clear that he considers wit to be a very powerful force when welded in the hands of the comic.
Wit allows the comic to manipulate the audience into becoming completely in the control of the comic. The successful comic quickly grabs the audience and makes them her captive, which s/he can lead in whatever direction desired.
Freud wrote "Wit and the Unconscious" early in his career. This book is considered to be Freud's most significant contribution to the theory of wit, which is, by extension, the theory of art.
In this book Freud "affirms the connection between art and the pleasure-principle
he also affirms the connection between art and childishness; however childishness is not a reproach, but the ideal kingdom of pleasure which art knows how to recover
with scant effort
Play on words?-the technique of wit?-is recovered when thought is allowed to sink into the unconscious
Freud's analysis of wit invites extension to the whole domain of art."
Psychoanalysis is about the nature of repression; the essential characteristic of the human psyche.
There is a constant conflict between the conscious and the unconscious. Societies repress the individual and the individual represses the self.
Neurotic behavior, dreams, and various "Freudian slips" provide us with e-mails from the unconscious that elude the conscious repression mechanism. These behavior characteristics are meaningful because they manifest the purpose of the unconscious that remains hidden from consciousness.
The conscious mind strenuously disowns and resists the rumblings of the unconscious. The conscious self disowns and resists its human nature.
Neurosis is the label given to these human phenomena of conflict between the conscious and unconscious self. All of us are neurotic to one degree or another. When this neurosis interferes with ?'normal' human behavior then, and only then, does it require outside interference by society.
Universal neurosis is the analogy of "original sin" for theological doctrine.
In "Life against Death" Norman Brown develops, with the help of Freudian theory, a theory of art. There are no paradigms in art; the psychoanalytic themes in art offer a perspective in the doctrine of "there is no single meaning to any work of art".
Questions for discussion
Do you find difficulty in comprehending wit as a form of art?
Is wit as powerful as Seinfeld surmised?
Is this power of wit as surprising to you as it was to me?
Caucasians were given a choice.... witty.... or own everything. We made our choice.
I live by my wits.
I'm a very dangerous person.
Maybe eoe and I can get an act together. She can have top billing.
Jewish culture is six thousand years old. Chinese culture is four thousand years old. What kind of food did Jews send out for on the Sabbath for two thousand years?
Setanta wrote:Jewish culture is six thousand years old. Chinese culture is four thousand years old. What kind of food did Jews send out for on the Sabbath for two thousand years?
All the Jewish mothers said "Go...enjoy...Don't worry about me, I'll just wait for the Chinese culture to develop."
Chai wrote:Setanta wrote:Jewish culture is six thousand years old. Chinese culture is four thousand years old. What kind of food did Jews send out for on the Sabbath for two thousand years?
All the Jewish mothers said "Go...enjoy...Don't worry about me, I'll just wait for the Chinese culture to develop."
That was quite good . . .
Jewish Mother jokes are the best.
How many Jewish mothers does it take to change a light bulb?
Never mind, i'll just sit here in the dark.
And could ya at least call every now and then? I'm sitting here, in the dark, wondering if your phone service was cut off or if you've forgotten my number.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:snood wrote:Bi-Polar Bear wrote:Caucasians were given a choice.... witty.... or own everything. We made our choice.
Brilliant remark
yes, I am a genius....
...and you own everything. Yer all set, huh?
actually the problem, as I'm sure you're aware, with owning everything is.... where do you put it?
Naw, can't say I can relate - must be that "white man's burden" thing.
it's a terrible cross to bear...
jespah wrote:I dunno from crosses.
don't play innocent with me missy... your people control the media, hollywood, the banks, you yourself control A2K... and as far as not knowing from crosses.... well.....
I know these things because Rush Limbaugh told me so...
Those are Xs on their sides, you silly man.
Re: Why so witty are Jews and African-Americans? I know!
coberst wrote:Re: Why so witty are Jews and African-Americans? I know!
"Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand."
- Mark Twain (Does he count? I'm not sure he's Jewish or Black)
coberst wrote:Do you find difficulty in comprehending wit as a form of art?
No.
coberst wrote:Is wit as powerful as Seinfeld surmised?
Yes.
coberst wrote:Is this power of wit as surprising to you as it was to me?
No.