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The Bible and Its Contradictions

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 05:52 pm
Compared to the other "biblical contradictions" threads we've had, this one is kind of lackluster.

What we really need is a "Just how Goddamned silly can this stupid scripture get?" thread.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 08:42 pm
I don't normally hop into the middle of a quote, but this time it seems to make sense. It certainly explains why early Christians did not keep the law. Did they know something Frank didn't?
mesquite wrote:
Expert? Did I say expert somewhere?

I am happy that you got a chuckle though. That was my intent after all in selecting an opposing view that I agree with.

But then ...

Frank Apisa wrote:

Matt5:17,18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Jesus did, in fact, fulfill the law. And what Frank refused to acknowledge is that the very purpose of the law was to point the way to Jesus' sacrifice. Since no Jew was able to keep the law, regular sacrifices and observations were necessary. These became unnecessary upon Jesus' death. For verily I say unto you , Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

I'm not a bible scholar so this is only how I view the above verses.
Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law so it will be in effect- till heaven and earth pass away.
The wages of sin is death.
There will come a day of reckoning, a day when all the law will be fulfilled completely. A day when everyone has given account of their lives and been judged. http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1563464#1563464


You no doubt have a canned reply for the above. Would you care to honor us with an exhibition of your hoop jumping ability.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 08:43 pm
Setanta wrote:
Compared to the other "biblical contradictions" threads we've had, this one is kind of lackluster.

What we really need is a "Just how Goddamned silly can this stupid scripture get?" thread.
Don't blame me. I didn't start it.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 12:52 pm
neologist wrote:
I don't normally hop into the middle of a quote, but this time it seems to make sense. It certainly explains why early Christians did not keep the law. Did they know something Frank didn't?
mesquite wrote:
Expert? Did I say expert somewhere?

I am happy that you got a chuckle though. That was my intent after all in selecting an opposing view that I agree with.

But then ...

Frank Apisa wrote:

Matt5:17,18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Jesus did, in fact, fulfill the law. And what Frank refused to acknowledge is that the very purpose of the law was to point the way to Jesus' sacrifice. Since no Jew was able to keep the law, regular sacrifices and observations were necessary. These became unnecessary upon Jesus' death. For verily I say unto you , Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

I'm not a bible scholar so this is only how I view the above verses.
Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law so it will be in effect- till heaven and earth pass away.
The wages of sin is death.
There will come a day of reckoning, a day when all the law will be fulfilled completely. A day when everyone has given account of their lives and been judged. http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1563464#1563464


You no doubt have a canned reply for the above. Would you care to honor us with an exhibition of your hoop jumping ability.


Neo, you completely skipped over one of the two conditional qualifiers of that verse. What about "til heaven and earth pass"?
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 02:37 pm
mesquite wrote:
neologist wrote:
I don't normally hop into the middle of a quote, but this time it seems to make sense. It certainly explains why early Christians did not keep the law. Did they know something Frank didn't?
mesquite wrote:
Expert? Did I say expert somewhere?

I am happy that you got a chuckle though. That was my intent after all in selecting an opposing view that I agree with.

But then ...

Frank Apisa wrote:

Matt5:17,18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Jesus did, in fact, fulfill the law. And what Frank refused to acknowledge is that the very purpose of the law was to point the way to Jesus' sacrifice. Since no Jew was able to keep the law, regular sacrifices and observations were necessary. These became unnecessary upon Jesus' death. For verily I say unto you , Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

I'm not a bible scholar so this is only how I view the above verses.
Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law so it will be in effect- till heaven and earth pass away.
The wages of sin is death.
There will come a day of reckoning, a day when all the law will be fulfilled completely. A day when everyone has given account of their lives and been judged. http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1563464#1563464


You no doubt have a canned reply for the above. Would you care to honor us with an exhibition of your hoop jumping ability.


Neo, you completely skipped over one of the two conditional qualifiers of that verse. What about "til heaven and earth pass"?
The scriptures, the law, cannot be nullified, cannot pass away. But can they be fulfilled, or even replaced? Apparently, because Jesus fulfilled the old law and instituted a new law.

Does that make the Old Law invalid? No, because it may still be used to measure the life of Jesus. Additionally, it contains many principles and insights into God's personality.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 04:09 pm
neo your correct.

Mesquite... The book of hebrews explains this indepth. The law was under the old covenant. After Christ died, a new covenant was ushered in, one which is better. Even in the old testament , God foretold of a time when he would make a new covenant.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 11:29 pm
neologist wrote:
Does that make the Old Law invalid? No, because it may still be used to measure the life of Jesus. Additionally, it contains many principles and insights into God's personality.


Indeed it does provide such an insight, and what a personality we see. The old testament god makes Hannibal Lector look like a pussy cat.

in Deuteronomy 28 God wrote:
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.

17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
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20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.

.22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.

24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

.25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou
shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.

27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

.29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

.30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.

31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.

32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.

33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.

.36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

.37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.

38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.

39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.

.40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.

41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

.42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.

43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

.48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have
destroyed thee.

.49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.

52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

.53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:

55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.

56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;

59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.

.63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

.66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

.67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 09:57 am
Well 'skeet, you certainly are more interesting than strike3. So you're saying that this list of maledictions proves what?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Mon 28 May, 2007 02:28 am
Miller wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
You are comparing the old testament with the new covenant brought by Jesus Christ.


The "new covenant"? How is this different from the covenant God made with Abraham?


No diff...we r...... 1 (won)!
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 28 May, 2007 02:32 am
neologist wrote:
Well 'skeet, you certainly are more interesting than strike3. So you're saying that this list of maledictions proves what?


The first thing he is proving is that you certainly have a lot of ground to cover as far as proving the bible is uniforma and consistant.

From the outside it's clear that mixed messeges of love and hate together to achieve dominion over it's reader.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 08:04 am
kate4christ03 wrote:
hope this helps

Quote:
On Ascension Into Heaven
"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)


In the bible the english word heaven is used for three different areas; sky, space and God's Kingdom. So there is no contradiction between these two verses.
[/quote]

So if you accept that these words have been muddled by translation, how is it that people decide they'll take one part literally and one part figuratively? How do you know that they didn't get the translation correct and this actually IS a goof?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 08:48 am
Diest TKO wrote:
neologist wrote:
Well 'skeet, you certainly are more interesting than strike3. So you're saying that this list of maledictions proves what?


The first thing he is proving is that you certainly have a lot of ground to cover as far as proving the bible is uniforma and consistant.

From the outside it's clear that mixed messeges of love and hate together to achieve dominion over it's reader.
That the Jews were to have consequences for their misdeeds should come as no surprise. They also were promised exclusive blessings for obedience.

They, as well as we, often forget they were chosen by God, not because they were in any way superior, but because they were to serve as a lesson for how God was to resolve the consequences of the rebellion in Eden.

And the nations they took by the sword? Everyone who has lived without knowing about God has been promised another chance in the resurrection. (See John 5: 28,29). Now, before you disparage this claim, remember that it is part of the same message that contains the maledictions quoted by skeeter a page or so back.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 10:47 am
neologist wrote:
Well 'skeet, you certainly are more interesting than strike3. So you're saying that this list of maledictions proves what?


Proves is not a word that can be of much use in discussions of scripture Neo, but as I said in agreement with you here[/u] at the beginning of that post, the Old Testament does provide insight to the personality of God. Where we appear to differ is in our perception of that personality. A human with such personality traits could best be described as a sociopath IMO.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 10:50 am
mesquite wrote:
neologist wrote:
Well 'skeet, you certainly are more interesting than strike3. So you're saying that this list of maledictions proves what?


Proves is not a word that can be of much use in discussions of scripture Neo, but as I said in agreement with you here[/u] at the beginning of that post, the Old Testament does provide insight to the personality of God. Where we appear to differ is in our perception of that personality. A human with such personality traits could best be described as a sociopath IMO.
Read my response to Diest TKO's response to my response to your earlier post, posted above.


WHEW!
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 01:06 pm
I did read your response which did not address the personality description other than to trivialize the behavior as consequences. C'mon Neo, he is threatening to force them to eat their children! He is even threatening to give them emerods. Shocked :wink:
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 01:21 pm
mesquite wrote:
I did read your response which did not address the personality description other than to trivialize the behavior as consequences. C'mon Neo, he is threatening to force them to eat their children! He is even threatening to give them emerods. Shocked :wink:
They did, in fact, eat their children during the siege of Jerusalem by the Romans in 7 CE and by the Babylonians in 607 BCE.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 03:21 pm
They probably also had occurences of emerods, but how does that affect the perception of God's personality. Are you saying that the eating of the children on those occasions was a direct action of God's hand?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 04:49 pm
mesquite wrote:
They probably also had occurences of emerods, but how does that affect the perception of God's personality. Are you saying that the eating of the children on those occasions was a direct action of God's hand?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 07:22 pm
neologist wrote:
mesquite wrote:
I did read your response which did not address the personality description other than to trivialize the behavior as consequences. C'mon Neo, he is threatening to force them to eat their children! He is even threatening to give them emerods. Shocked :wink:
They did, in fact, eat their children during the siege of Jerusalem by the Romans in 7 CE and by the Babylonians in 607 BCE.
Meant to say 70 CE. Sorry
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stlstrike3
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 09:06 pm
Notice.. you are all running around in circles trying to interpret the bible.

Don't you think if a supreme ruler of the universe wanted us to have a guidebook to life, he/she would have made it a little more timeless? Perhaps a bit less vague? Perhaps with all his/her omniscience, inspire writers to be a little more consistent?

With our creator's literary skills being suspect at best, it's amazing that our intelligent designer didn't totally **** up our genetic code.
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