Christendom, the Forbidden Cultural Society

That's an interesting question, I see where you may have gotten that question. There's a passage in part of the article that talks about biblical blessings upon those who follow God's laws dealing with ethnic purity. It would be major since the blessing covenants were made to the seeds, and biblical law that deals with it being canceled if any mixture is found within 10 generations.

Let me ask you, since it was a felony for a black to marry a white in 28 states of America all the way up until the year 1968, (39 years ago), (actually outlawed in 41 states! click here for state law listings) do you discriminate against your parents & grandparents for their being law abiding citizens? Did your church support MAJOR FELONIES? Or do you and all the churches just change because the new world order says so? Pretty soon it will be a one world government and one world religion like the book of revelation says. These are all spiritual matters for Christians to discuss at length.

Lets say I'm open to all truth, whether it is new to me or not, like all Christians are supposed to be, not just taking the easy path.

ebrown_p wrote:

Michael,

I am very curious about this.

Are you personally against race mixing (i.e. two people of different races having kids)?

... or was this a mistake where you cut and paste the wrong thing accidentally?

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Michael, you seem to have confused christianity with Christianity. (Matthew 7: 21-23)

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This joker is peddling claims with no historical basis, and racist hatefulness. Anyone who reads what this member writes is warned that it is rife with lies, and attempts to make racist distinctions.

There are no races, except in the minds of the hateful. There is only one race of humans--the human race. Readers should take care to note that all of this member's comments are supported by baseless ranting from the "christassembly" web site, and that this member also rants (c.f., the looniness about Charlemagne) on christian supremecist and racial supremecist themes.

This joker is a snake-oil salesman.

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I resent any claim of racial supremacist, as everything I've posted only talks about being God's servant people, slave people to the rest of the world. If you dont like the bible dont malign me for quoting it. You can check out Christsassembly.com and see it only deals with love and maybe promotes the feasts & Sabbaths of Israel a bit along with all of God's laws. All the opposition in this world will only be against one people "that have Jesus and the commandments" the dragon isn't concerned with anyone else at this point in history. (Rev 12:17)

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Michael, you seem to have confused christianity with Christianity. (Matthew 7: 21-23)

I see you quote "you who dont follow our Heavenly Father's will" and "workers of iniquity" will be not admitted into heaven. Well what's the definition of God's will and iniquity? Iniquity is transgression of God's law 1John 3:4. Many bible footnotes translate this passage you quote as "you who break the torah/God's law". What is the Father's will? His will is His word. I dont recall any discussion of violating any of His word/will in my post so I'm a bit confused. As Jesus reiterated this same concept you quote: Matt 5:17-19 "not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law until all the law and all the prophets are fulfilled (note many prophecies & laws are still to be fulfilled upon Christ's return and we're in "a new heavens & new earth. we are not in a new heavens & earth so all the prophets could not have been fulfilled yet) Matt 5:19: "if any man breaks & teaches men to break one of the least of these commandments he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven, and those who keep even the least of these commandments and teach men so shall be great in the kingdom of heaven." the #1 commandment is to love God: 1John 5:3 "For this is the love of THE LORD, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."
The #2 commandment is to love your neighbor: LOVE DEFINITION: 1John 5:2 "By this we know that we love the children of THE LORD, when we love THE LORD, and keep his commandments."
LOVE DEFINITION: 2John 1:6 "And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it."
LOVE DEFINITION: John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (remembering Jesus is called ALL THE WORD John 1:1 and 1:14 that's all the old tesmant which He IS, so dont forget to obey those spiritual laws that cannot pass away until all the prophecies & laws of the book are fulfilled Matt 5:17-18)

As was the oldest definition of loving your neighbor which everyone in the 1st century understood because (Moses was preached in every city Acts 15:21):

Lev 19:17-18 "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD."

Part of the command of loving your neighbor was to rebuke him to not transgress God's law or you'll be responsible for their sin as it says there in Lev 19:17.

More Christian love:

Eze 33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

That deals with warning those who are transgressing God's laws and teaching men to transgress His laws.

More true Christian love:

Act 20:31 "Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears."
This will be announced on the Watchman Reporters soon, a brand new website where this will get out to warn everyone as the bible tells us to.

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Michael1,

i'm of mixed race; I am half Japanese, and half Scott, Do you believe that my parents have defied a natural law?

A direct question that I expect a direct answer to.

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I hope you resent it, i hope you don't like it. You are spreading racist claims. There are no "races" among human beings--and to even suggest that there are different races among humans constitutes a hateful racist point of view.

I've been looking at "the Christ's Assembly" online, as well as your boy Leroy Crouch, and "Watchman Reporters." I find it interesting that none of these sites follow the reputable practice of providing an "about us" link which names officers, supporters and sources of revenue, and the physical address of the organizations concerned. I find it even more interesting that reputable sites which provide information on religious sects, such as Religious Tolerance-dot-org., don't list this organization. I'd be very interested to know the provenance of your "church."

You surely must think you're slick. But your opening screed, a direct copy and paste from the "Christ's Assembly" discussion board, begins with an assertion that Christian and Europe have been synonymous for 1600 years, and yet you have already acknowledged that Charlemagne was attempting to eliminate "pagan" German tribes just 1200 years ago. When you post bullshit, and are not clever enough to cover your own tracks, you will, eventually, be seen as a bullshit artist.

To repeat, there are no separate "races" of human beings.

There was not a general knowledge of christianity in Europe in the 2nd century, and Europe was not exclusively christian, and not even majority christian, 1600 years ago.

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Funny that when you click Christian Forum, you get a page with almost zero replies, but topics such a is "racial profiling really wrong?"

the forums

weak sauce.

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Well I unlike you think everyone is entitled to their opinion and I dont hate people for their preferences. You think there are no races of human beings, that is fine with me, you probably also believe in evolution. Again suit yourself.

All this hate against me just for sharing some spiritual truth I see only proves the point of the article, that there is such a hatred against Christendom.

You're now misquoting me 100% about Charlemagne anyone can see that if they go back in the post. All sides of history writers have always considered Europe Christendom, and is still for the most part Christian nations with Christian holidays and hundreds of churches that are at least 1,000 years old. Nearly every small town of Europe has a church that's near 1,000 years old.

Your cursings , swearing etc is not very healthy for anyone. I guess the rules on this board allow such intolerance and flamming?

I wont come back to this forum until the cursing, swearing and flamming posts are dealt with. I dont fellowship with such kinds of people, or forums that allow it. I guess the Admins dont enforce the rules here.

As far as if you're 1/2 japanese I dont mind it, and no I dont think that's natures law. It's a spiritual conviction thing, and I hope folks respect my spiritual convictions and not hate me for it. I think it's spiritual law being violated and spiritual contracts being negated and you being robbed of spiritual blessings your parents are responsible for not you, but God can still use you as He does many of my racemixed friends God uses sometimes much better than those who are full. If you read from the beginning this was nothing of what this guy is trying to turn it into because he doesn't think races ever existed, sorry charlie.

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michael1 wrote:

I wont come back to this forum until the cursing, swearing and flamming posts are dealt with. I dont fellowship with such kinds of people, or forums that allow it.

fair enough,but before you go go, don't forget...

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Michael1,

i'm of mixed race; I am half Japanese, and half Scott, Do you believe that my parents have defied a natural law?

A direct question that I expect a direct answer to.

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Diest TKO wrote:

michael1 wrote:

I wont come back to this forum until the cursing, swearing and flamming posts are dealt with. I dont fellowship with such kinds of people, or forums that allow it.

fair enough,but before you go go, don't forget...

Yessir, got it, I guess I was editing it at the same time you were posting. See above.

Respectfully,

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michael1 wrote:

All this hate against me just for sharing some spiritual truth I see only proves the point of the article, that there is such a hatred against Christendom.

That's rich, from someone who is spreading racist hatred. Spiritual truth? Nonsense, it's racial hatred, plain and simple. We deal with reality as much as possible at this site--what proof do you offer that there are different races of human beings? In refutation, i'll point out that all humans who are not physically deformed are capable of reproducing with all other humans of the opposite sex who are not deformed.

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You're now misquoting me 100% about Charlemagne anyone can see that if they go back in the post. All sides of history writers have always considered Europe Christendom, and is still for the most part Christian nations with Christian holidays and hundreds of churches that are at least 1,000 years old. Nearly every small town of Europe has a church that's near 1,000 years old.

You are lying now. This is the beginning of the first paragraph of this thread:

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For definitions sake: The words European and Christendom have been one and the same thing as widely recorded for well over 1,600 years, as nearly every city of Europe had copies of the gospel in the 2nd Century AD via the Apostle's Creed and officially a united Christian Empire was instituted early in that century.

A thousand years won't cut it--it does not suffice to substantiate the claim made clearly here that "the words European and Christendom have been one and the same thing as widely recognized for well over 1600 years." As i've already pointed out, 1600 years ago, the majority of the inhabitants of Europe were not christians, and continued not to be christians for centuries. This paragraph is peddling another lie when it claims that "nearly every city of Europe had copies of the gospel in the 2nd Century." There was not even a recognized canon of gospels anywhere among christians in the 2nd century, let alone in Europe, where christians were as rare as hen's teeth in the 2nd century.

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Your cursings , swearing etc is not very healthy for anyone. I guess the rules on this board allow such intolerance and flamming?

I have used expressions such as bullshit freely--that is not cursing, nor is it swearing. Now if i were to call someone a goddamned racist pig--that would be swearing--but i have not done that. I know of no word in English such as "flamming"--i suspect, though, that you meant flaming. It is not flaming to point out that your bullshit contradicts itself, and that it is full of historical inaccuracy, historical lies and racism.

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I wont come back to this forum until the cursing, swearing and flamming posts are dealt with. I dont fellowship with such kinds of people, or forums that allow it. I guess the Admins dont enforce the rules here.

Fine, don't let the door hit you in the ass. I don't want the "fellowship" of people who spread racist hatred, christian supremacy and white supremacy doctrines--so you won't be missed by me.

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Diest TKO wrote:

michael1 wrote:

I wont come back to this forum until the cursing, swearing and flamming posts are dealt with. I dont fellowship with such kinds of people, or forums that allow it.

fair enough,but before you go go, don't forget...

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Michael1,

i'm of mixed race; I am half Japanese, and half Scott, Do you believe that my parents have defied a natural law?

A direct question that I expect a direct answer to.

Hey Boss, he answered your post:

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As far as if you're 1/2 japanese I dont mind it, and no I dont think that's natures law. It's a spiritual conviction thing, and I hope folks respect my spiritual convictions and not hate me for it. I think it's spiritual law being violated and spiritual contracts being negated and you being robbed of spiritual blessings your parents are responsible for not you, but God can still use you as He does many of my racemixed friends God uses sometimes much better than those who are full. If you read from the beginning this was nothing of what this guy is trying to turn it into because he doesn't think races ever existed, sorry charlie.

Apparently, this guy considers you to be a spiritual violation, and that you have been robbed of spiritual blessings by your parents. But don't despair, he is still willing to manipulate you for his own religiously exclusionary ends, despite your status as spiritual bankrupt. Nice guy, no?

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Michael, as long as you enjoy quoting scripture, have you seen this one?
"At this Peter opened his mouth and said: "For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him" (Acts 10:34, 35)

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From micheal's link

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Since all other religions on earth are merely a device of man, whereas Christianity is the will of the eternal God, all of man's religions are naturally repugnant to Christianity. To practice and promote the tenets of any of man's religions would tend to result in blasphemy of Christianity. This is one reason why the founding fathers of this nation did not tolerate such religions to be practiced in their midst. They had made the God of the Christian Bible the center and author of their faith and made it a crime to blaspheme Him. "For if slander against men is not left unpunished, much more do those deserve punishment who blaspheme God."(47)

Note: reference 47 does not exist in the document that I can find.

This is the greatest thing I've read in ages!

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Setanta wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
michael1 wrote:

I wont come back to this forum until the cursing, swearing and flamming posts are dealt with. I dont fellowship with such kinds of people, or forums that allow it.

fair enough,but before you go go, don't forget...

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Michael1,

i'm of mixed race; I am half Japanese, and half Scott, Do you believe that my parents have defied a natural law?

A direct question that I expect a direct answer to.

Hey Boss, he answered your post:

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As far as if you're 1/2 japanese I dont mind it, and no I dont think that's natures law. It's a spiritual conviction thing, and I hope folks respect my spiritual convictions and not hate me for it. I think it's spiritual law being violated and spiritual contracts being negated and you being robbed of spiritual blessings your parents are responsible for not you, but God can still use you as He does many of my racemixed friends God uses sometimes much better than those who are full. If you read from the beginning this was nothing of what this guy is trying to turn it into because he doesn't think races ever existed, sorry charlie.

Apparently, this guy considers you to be a spiritual violation, and that you have been robbed of spiritual blessings by your parents. But don't despair, he is still willing to manipulate you for his own religiously exclusionary ends, despite your status as spiritual bankrupt. Nice guy, no?

I am fairly articulate, but I lack the words to convey the emotions words like this inspire. For some reason, I'm drawn back to early childhood and having the KKK throw rocks at my parents when we went to the park.

Michael1, please leave. I support the idea of exchanging information and ideas freely, but your here to sell, not to buy. Don't come in here and condensend what you call "truth."

The fact that I'm half Japanese is no more significant than the fact that I'm half Scott. I' didn't ask if you care, and I don't care. I'm not waiting for God's purpose for me. I have a mind of my own and I need nobody to tell me what purpose I have greater than the purpose I can find by my own initiative.

Setanta, I'm going to attempt to paraphrase what you said about their being "no races." I think you have the right idea, but perhaps, I will suggest a different phrasing. It appears that you mean to express that Race, is a simply a human catagorization made by convieniace for sorting dramatic genetic similarities. You mean to assert that humans are but one species and not several different ones as a arguement that mixing races is to defy natural law, i.e. a mixed rcase couple is not analogious with a human dating a dog or cat. Set, I think you aim to say that race distigushing is arbitrary in significance of who we should be with. If I ahave correctly restated what you said in fewer words, I certainly agree. Race is so unimportant to the degree that it is negligable.

The opposite viewpoint, would be that a race's definition would be incredibly rigid. Brown haired people with green eyes, are a separate race from Brown haired people with blue eyes. etc. This opposite viewpoint would divide the human race into som many more races than...

Caucasian, African, Hispanic, Asian, Pacific Islander, etc, etc, etc.

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Yes, that is essentially what i have said with regard to race. However, my point is that definitions of "race" are not simply arbitrarily created "distinctions," but that, in fact, references to race do not describe distinctions at all. All the plausible evidence that we have is that the genus homo originated in Africa, in the Rift Valley region, at a time when the area was relatively arid and vegetation was sparse. The obvious conclusion to be derived from the scientific knowledge which we have built up about skin and pigmentation is that all humans were once brown, or "black." Therefore, all "white" people derive from those brown people, and simply went through an evolutionary process in which the advantages of low melanin content in the skin conferred upon individuals allowed the genus to successfully exploit colder, northern climates.

But it is even more complex than that. The tribes which are referred to as Aryans were very likely "white" people, based on the climate which they inhabited at the end of the last ice age, and the evidence of Indo-European peoples who continued to inhabit central Asian highland environments--after other Aryan tribes had migrated to the Iranian plateau and the Indian subcontinent. However, if you look at modern Persians and Indians, you see that these people adapted to a new environment by turning brown again, and many of the Indo-Aryan people of northern and central India--particularly central India--became very dark-skinned, what people call black. (I refer you back to the pictures which i posted earlier.)

So, in a sense, you have oversimplified my statement. I am pointing out not only that there is no evidence that separate races of humans exist, but that all the evidence is that separate races don't exist, and that all superficial descriptions (such as skin, hair and even eye color) are subject to environmental modification. This joker has a link to his "the Christ's Assembly" web site which attempts to claim that scripture proves that the Galileans were "white," and somehow not related to the Jews. So this kind of screed is antisemitic specifically, as well as being racially supremacist generally.

All the evidence of environmental adaptations in the genus homo points inevitably to a conclusion that not only are there no separate races, but that even the attempt to categorize by superficial appearance is fundamentally flawed, since environment determines that appearance, in response to genetic factors which are universal in the genus.

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Well.... this was interesting reading. <puts a protective arm around diest>

For a long time it seemed the term race was almost equated with the concept of species. Which is ridiculous (the idea that we are different species). It is a loaded term with a history of discrimination and violence and mass killing. Michael1, it is not a term to use in such texts and be taken lightly.

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I have used expressions such as bullshit freely--

A few people, as well as yourself used much more provoking words than a common 4 letter word, a cop-out, rather than present any material to go along with their relevant counter-claims. The proposal of the article is that "isn't this subject forbidden". All everyone has done is proven it is forbidden.

At least you partially acknowledge your obscenities, yet it is still a copout. Rather than debate folks are only resorting to any of a long list of cop-out slurs against anyone who loves this taboo ethnic culture. If I were talking about Chinese ethnic culture would you be calling it HATE, RACIST, SUPREMACIST, etc? I never even called Europeans supreme but in fact the opposite. They have more weaknesses than any other race (or whatever you wish to call them) any wording is fine with me, we all know what it is or what you mean, it's all human and we all have souls & feelings no matter what race we're from, etc. I know this is true.

What ever happened to freedom of religion?
I've found those who dont believe in God are very religious since their religion is themself. To each their own. I dont attack them for it or try slandering them, charging them with psychological problems etc, etc. Anyhow this just proves the article is true this is forbidden, one of the ONLY taboo subjects, European Culture, Heritage, etc. There's a million slurs out there for folks who embrace this ethnic culture, many of these being low blows.

There is only forbidden culture. Just go ahead and say it: Down with Europe! Down with all Europeans!

It's ok to love all the other ethnic cultures but this one TABOO, if you talk about it you just get any of a million different cop-out slurs. I think again this is evidence that it is too close to setting people free with the truth so satanic influence is manipulating people in this dark world to oppose the good, making people even irrational in opposing ANY discussion on such a wholesome subject such as this.

Since I do enjoy the non religious sections here and have gotten half an acknowledgment, I'm persuaded to stay at able2know.

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michael1 wrote:

What ever happened to freedom of religion?
I've found those who dont believe in God are very religious since their religion is themself. To each their own. I dont attack them for it or try slandering them, charging them with psychological problems etc, etc. Anyhow this just proves the article is true this is forbidden, one of the ONLY taboo subjects, European Culture, Heritage, etc. There's a million slurs out there for folks who embrace this ethnic culture, many of these being low blows.

European culture a has a dominant share in American culture. Highschool students take classes like "World History," and in these classes, they learn about europeans the whole time. They ONLY time other cultures are discussed is in reference to how european nations took them over etc. European culture taboo? The USA's status quo is white, even if you're not white, you are expected to act white. You can't come in here and make such a claim.

As For Chtistian culture being taboo, I don't think that the Christian cultue would even agree with you. I am constanly being told how it's becoming so large. In popular music the Christian god is referenced all the time. Can you name a single top 40 song from the last 50 years that had any relgious references outside of christianity?

This thread does not prove your essay's thesis. Christianity is discussed quite openly here, and further is miles from TABOO.

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There is only forbidden culture. Just go ahead and say it: Down with Europe! Down with all Europeans!

Taboo is to make something void. Asian, Hispanic and Native American Cultures are the most taboo in the USA.

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It's ok to love all the other ethnic cultures but this one TABOO, if you talk about it you just get any of a million different cop-out slurs. I think again this is evidence that it is too close to setting people free with the truth so satanic influence is manipulating people in this dark world to oppose the good, making people even irrational in opposing ANY discussion on such a wholesome subject such as this.

People aren't opposed to discussion. If people aren't buying what you are selling, it could be that what you're selling isn't worth anything.

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Since I do enjoy the non religious sections here and have gotten half an acknowledgment, I'm persuaded to stay at able2know.

Then I hope you take more care to display more tack in the future.

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michael1 wrote:

Since I do enjoy the non religious sections here and have gotten half an acknowledgment, I'm persuaded to stay at able2know.

Yeah? Don't do us any favors--i suspect you just couldn't resist coming back to see what was going on.

I contradicted the first paragraph of your copied-and-pasted screed, because it made a set of claims which were bullshit. It claimed that christian and European are synonymous, and have been for 1600 hundred years--and i pointed out that this was not true, and provided examples both of parts of Europe and of Europeans which and who were not christian 1600 years ago, and who were not to become christian for many centuries to come. I also pointed out that even today, there are many Europeans who are not christian.

The second claim was even more laughably absurd, and false. That was that the so-called gospels were available to all of Europe in the 2nd century. That is also bullshit, so i called it.

Others pointed out the racist content of the screed, which i had stopped reading after i saw all the bullshit upon which it was predicated in that first paragraph. Since that time, i have pointed out both that "Aryans" are not necessarily white, and that there is no plausible basis upon which to assert that your boy "Jesus" was Aryan. And i have consistently pointed out that there is no such thing as race, that there is only one race in this issue: the human race.

The points of view expressed in the opening screed, now that i tortured myself sufficiently to read it, and to read it in the context of the "Christ's Assembly" discussion site, are without doubt white supremacist, and christian supremacist. The claims have no good basis either in scripture, in history or in ethnology. The claims are part and parcel with a hateful and vicious racist agenda.

If you don't like hearing that, then i suggest that you would do well not to copy and paste racist screeds to this site--otherwise, you're going to be called on it every time. Too bad, so sad, boo hoo hoo . . .

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