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THE BRITISH THREAD II

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 02:19 am
@georgeob1,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21115289
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 05:51 am
Bangs fist on side of box containing thread hoping the loose wire reconnects.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 05:52 am
@spendius,
Blimey!! It worked.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 12:13 pm
It seems that some in the UK not only wanted their country to leave the EU but Europe as well ...

http://i46.tinypic.com/2hzrhg1.jpg
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 03:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Note for newcomers here: that was a joke from Walter.

Smile
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 03:51 pm
@McTag,
Not a joke, but I'm quite annoyed that Europe is so frequently used as a synonym for EU.

It seems to be totally forgotten in the UK that the UK was a founding member of the Treaty of Brussels (1948) which was followed by the WEU (Western European Union) in 1955 ...

And since 1949, the UK is a member state of the Council of Europe, 47 European countries belong to that institution today.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 03:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It's a non-story Walt. We are staying in.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 03:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I can understand your frustration, and can't speak for the British, however, they do have a long history of suspicion of whatever state was then dominant in continental Europe. It sometimes served them well in the past, and those things do become a somewhat automatic part of national cultures, no matter how much related things change.

I agree that withdrawl from the EU looks unlikely.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 03:59 pm
@georgeob1,
We are only suspicious George of states which give us good grounds for being so. Which is to say all of them.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 04:01 pm
@spendius,
Might be so. But that doesn't change my annoyance about the ill-education from those who want to leave.

Take for instance the European Court of Human Rights and all the critics about it.
This court has nothing to do with the EU - but with the Council of Europe. And the UK was a co-fonder of this court (ratified the European Convention on Human Rights on 8 March 1951).
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 04:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
True, but all of these things involve the surrender of national soverignty to international bodies. On that human level they are indeed connected.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 04:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You have to allow politicians to play to the gallery Walt. It's what they do.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 04:21 pm
@georgeob1,
That's what the UK did - voluntarily.
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I've read quite often, how bad it is that foreigners use the NHS system.
The five "military" British hospitals in Germany are the Allgemeine Krankenhaus Viersen, the Evangelisches Krankenhaus Gilead Bielefeld (that's where the "Secondary Care Team - BFG Health Service" is stationed, too), the St Vincenz Krankenhaus in Paderborn, the Klinikum Osnabrück and the Henriettenstiftung in Hannover. All free with the European Health Insurance Card.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2013 04:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, we've had a long dialogue about the EU, and in part the issue at hand is a related matter. In its several stages of development going back to Schumann's Coal and Steel Community, the European experiment has been remarkably successful in dealing with issues of mutual interests among a steadily growing community of nations. In part a key element of that unprecedented success has been the evasion of related issues of sovereignty in favor of collective agreement on a rapidly growing collection of standard policies and practices, ranging from free trade to free movement of people, standard trade and industrial practices, and finally a common currency. As a byproduct of all this, the structure is growing in complexity with some nations in or out of this or that part of the structure (or for those who wish to view it differently, one involving multiple distinct structures or agreements, for the movement of people, monetary currence, free trade, etc.)

It is simply inevitable that ultimately more and more serious issues of sovereignty have to be faced. Indeed the issue of collective oversight of national budget and fiscal policies is on the table now - a byproduct of the Eurozone crisis. This aspect of the Euro issue was initially evaded by the implementation of the Stability Pact limiting deficit spending by the member states. That later seemed (in good economic times) a bit superfluous to member states which later abandoned the restrictions - and here we are. (Like everything in life, it is all clear, ... but only in retrospect.)

The continuing struggles over core sovereignty issues within the EU are likely to be both difficult and uncertain in outcome. However they are much more the natural consequence of the success achieved so far, than they are indicators of a fundamental flaw in the goal.
margo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2013 04:02 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Might be so. But that doesn't change my annoyance about the ill-education from those who want to leave.


Hell, Walter - don't get too angry about the ignorant; you'll be permanently angry! They're breeding faster than anyone else!
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2013 04:29 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
However they are much more the natural consequence of the success achieved so far, than they are indicators of a fundamental flaw in the goal.


Maybe George. But it is possible that getting a Constitution for a USE over an extended period of time might be because trying it over one hot Philadelphian summer on the back of an envelope with a small coterie of fat cats and carpetbaggers is perceived to have been flawed.
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2013 04:09 am
@spendius,

Hey, that's fightin' talk, Limey!

Our TV news was concerned that Beyonce had lip-synched her anthem at the Inaugural, so nothing much has changed.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2013 11:39 am
@McTag,
Spendi exhibits a strange compulsion to be provactive when others are speaking seriously. I just ignore it.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2013 11:56 am
@georgeob1,
When I can I ignore anybody speaking seriously.

I don't consider anybody who sweeps their arm across western culture in grandiloquent gestures to be remotely serious.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2013 03:49 pm
@spendius,
Gosh ! Who could that be?
 

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