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THE BRITISH THREAD II

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jul, 2012 11:54 pm
@spendius,

Quote:
What was it your letter suggested Mac?


To cut their money. Money talks (loudest). "Follow the money"

For

1. Bad manners
2. Unsportsmanlike behaviour
3. Spoiling the event
4. Being boorish.
5. Because I don't like it
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:46 am
@McTag,
Impossible. Restraint of trade. Sexism. Violation of human rights.

How can you not like it when you volunteer to watch?
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 04:22 am
@spendius,

You don't know what I watch. I don't "volunteer" to watch that.

I could watch Maria Sharapova with the sound turned off, because she is particularly graceful, but that's not watching sport for its own sake, eh.

No-one has the "human right" to go on a tennis court and howl like a cat being neutered.
It's not impossible, my friend, and I think it will happen.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 05:03 am
@McTag,
You complained about it so it's fair enough to assume you watched some of it and that I knew you had watched it and you watching it is voluntary.

Only informal persuasion could work and if the squeaks help them, as they see it, or their coaches, then the persuasion would be in the direction of under-performing.

The lower frequency grunts of the men don't seem to annoy you to the same extent and therefore your complaint is against the female vocal register and is obviously sexist.

If women players start patting the ball back and forth I imagine that rallies will be interminable. I find women engaging in all professional sport ridiculous and in very bad taste. Hence I don't watch it except for laughs. I feel pretty certain that Barbara Cartland and Mae West would have agreed.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 08:32 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
If women players start patting the ball back and forth I imagine that rallies will be interminable. I find women engaging in all professional sport ridiculous and in very bad taste. Hence I don't watch it except for laughs. I feel pretty certain that Barbara Cartland and Mae West would have agreed.

Not sure why it took me so long, but I have a new visual impression of you, spendi. I'm sure you will approve ...

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg708/scaled.php?server=708&filename=bobbyriggs.jpg&res=landing
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 09:26 am
@Ticomaya,
Why not get a pic up of Barbara Cartland and Mae West with that logo on their chest. People who encourage women to violent exertions for their entertainment or to make money off them are the real chauvinists.

You just don't know your Ludovici and other medical essays on the matter.

Still--the smear is all you need eh Tico? Prove any ******* thing at all with a cheapo in that genre of intellectual discourse.

And they admit it with ladies only playing best of 3 sets rather than of 5. What's that all about?
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 04:14 pm

John Terry and Anton Ferdinand court case:

Are we becoming too precious? So what if John Terry called him a black so-and-so? He is partly black, and presumably proud of that, so is there a problem? Apparently prior to Terry's outburst, Ferdinand was deliberately winding him up.

Footballers have to do their work under the baleful gaze of many long-lens video cameras. How many people in other occupations could stand that level of scrutiny, and not be regularly accused of racism? Lorry drivers? Taxi drivers? Factory floor workers? Gents in private clubs?

I think JT is a fool, a thug, and a boor, and comes from a family of criminals. But I think this prosecution is silly.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 05:22 pm
@McTag,
Not for the legion getting a dip for their bread it isn't.
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 02:52 am
@spendius,

Come on, Spendy, you can do better.

Why is it you can call a person a fat c***, a specky c, a Welsh c, a Scotch c, a ginger c, or any number of more imaginative and more damaging names, but saying a "black c" will land you in court?
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 03:07 am
Rangers- Ally McCoist speaks:
(The SFL will now decide if the new Rangers should start life in Division One or Division Three)

"We are now in the hands of David Longmuir [SFL chief executive] who is certainly a man that Charles Green [Rangers chief executive] and I trust implicitly.

"He is a good honest man that I firmly believe has the best interests of Scottish football at heart, of that there is no doubt.

"Out of all the characters involved in this situation I think David and his member clubs have been very unfortunate to have been put in a position where they have to make a decision.

"Whatever decision they reach we will accept. Having said that from my meetings with our supporters, and the vast majority of SPL chairmen have been listening to their supporters, which is great, I'm all for it.

"We had a meeting with our supporters last night and the vast majority of them - in the region of 75-80% - have said enough is enough, let's go to SFL3.

"Our good friends at Celtic across the city issued a statement that stated that integrity was of paramount importance to Scottish football and we totally agree with that, and I would imagine the vast majority of all SPL chairmen agree with that statement."
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 03:20 am
@McTag,
Quote:
Why is it you can call a person a fat c***, a specky c, a Welsh c, a Scotch c, a ginger c, or any number of more imaginative and more damaging names, but saying a "black c" will land you in court?


I told you Mac. It is so the real cunts can dip their bread in from now unto the end of time.

Bankers were compared to rats in a cess-pit on Newsnight yesterday. They showed a big fat rat sniffing around a cess pit. Which makes us the cess pit. The BBC loses it when salivations are running free.

McTag
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 08:12 am
@spendius,
Apparently Ferdinand would accept being called a "******* ****" but not a " ******* black ****".
Strange. Now read on:

The racial abuse case against the Chelsea captain, John Terry, is "so weak and tenuous" it should be thrown out, the footballer's defence has argued in court.

George Carter-Stephenson QC said on Tuesday there was "no proper prima facie" evidence against the 31-year-old centre back, who is accused of racially abusing the QPR defender Anton Ferdinand.

After the prosecution finished its evidence in the trial, the chief magistrate Howard Riddle was told Ferdinand's reliability as a witness was "clearly not good". The defence also argued that the lip-reading experts had agreed it was impossible to clarify from the footage what had been said at the key moment.

Terry denies a racially aggravated public order offence. He is accused of calling Ferdinand, 27, a "******* black ****" during a Chelsea match against QPR on 23 October last year. A complaint of racism had been made by an off-duty police officer watching the game on television, the court heard.

Westminster magistrates court was told that Terry was interviewed by Jenny Kennedy, the head of the Football Association's off-field regulation, five days after the alleged incident.

Telling her he had "nothing to hide", he said he was repeating an accusation he thought Ferdinand had made about him during an ill-tempered exchange. He admitted: "If you watch the video and me, watching the video, you can quite easily say that, that doesn't look good.

"But at the same time, in the context of what I thought Anton accused me of, you know no one can argue what my feelings were at that time."

Terry's defence is that he was repeating back to Ferdinand words he believed the QPR defender had said to him. He said Ferdinand had shouted "black ****" at him, so Terry repeated it, then called him a "******* knobhead".

Terry was "not prepared" to be called a racist, he told the FA in the interview, played to the court. "I have been called a lot of things in my football career and off the pitch, but being called a racist I am not prepared to take.

"That's why I came out and made my statement immediately. I am not having Anton thinking that about me, or anyone else. That's not my character at all."

He told the FA that Ferdinand was shouting abuse at him over allegedly "shagging" a team-mate's "missus" during the altercation in the 84th minute of the game, following a clash between the two in the QPR penalty area.

A player would not shout racist abuse across the pitch in front of the cameras and thousands of fans present, Terry said.

"If I had something to hide I wouldn't be projecting it in front of the Sky cameras and the people in the ground. I could easily have had my hand over my mouth or whispered it in his ear."

His representative at the FA interview, Keith Cousins, said Terry had been "rhetorically responding" to what he thought Ferdinand had accused him of.

Terry listened from the glass dock as the interview was played in court.

In it, he told Kennedy that after the game he had been anxious to clear up matters with Ferdinand and had asked him to come to the Chelsea changing room.

"I said: 'Was you accusing me of calling you a black ****?' – my exact words – and he said 'No, not at all.'"

Terry then said "good", as he did not want Ferdinand to think he had racially abused him.

The court has heard that Ferdinand first became aware of the alleged abuse in the QPR players' lounge after the game when his girlfriend showed him footage from YouTube on her BlackBerry.

The case continues.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/10/john-terry-racial-abuse-court

spendius
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 08:47 am
@McTag,
Ferdinand was pulling a Mary Whitehouse stroke trying to abuse John for "shagging a team-mate's missus" . That's sexist because it implies that the team-mate's missus had no say in the matter.

Is a lady allowed to bestow her sexual favours at her own discretion or not? If John had borrowed a team-mate's lawnmower without permission then that's much more serious.

It's not bad entertainment though. That's all it is actually.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 09:00 am
@McTag,
Interesting in my opinion as well:
- John Terry is being tried in the Westminster Magistrates’ Court. (This is the Court where some of the most high profile cases in the country are heard.)
- The John Terry trial is being heard by the Senior District Judge, the Chief Magistrate of England and Wales.
- He is being prosecuted by Duncan Penny, Duncan Penny has been a barrister for 20 years, he is from the top prosecution set in the country. (A set of chambers which advise MI5 / MI6 on policing terrorism.)
- Terry is being defended by George Carter-Stephenson QC. (30 years experience and the magic two letters after his name)


If Terry is acquitted then the tax payer will be liable to pay for his fees, although probably not in full, they will be required to pay a signficant part.
(The costs for the prosecution and the judge are being paid by the tax payer already.)

All that for a trial of a summary-only offence, in which the only available penalty is a fine, and the defendant is multi-millionaire ...
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 09:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,

Stupid, isn't it.

The law really is an ass. Spendy makes the valid point about the people making money out of this. They must have a great laugh in the robing room.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 10:46 am
@McTag,
In the Newsrooms too.

It all adds colour and tone to life I should have thought.

Teasing out the latent misogyny in the ingratiation brigade is always highly amusing for those who can see it peeping out. Eradicating the foundational misogyny is a very trying and testing business.

McTag
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 07:20 am
@spendius,

Are you going to watch The Bank of Dave on Channel 4 tonight?

I like this guy. He was talking on Libby Purvis' radio show last night.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 07:31 am
@McTag,
I heard him on the radio yesterday morning. He is very likable.
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 01:04 am
@izzythepush,

Saw that prog this morning, on my excellent HDD recorder, whatever would I do without it.

Dave is a bit exhausting, and the programme a bit "bitty", but you've go to take your hat off to him.

His bank might put Burnley on the tourist map.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 01:29 am
@McTag,
People already rush there to see Alastair Campbell's favourite team. (I think)

Ed Milliband has been talking about breaking up the banks, they should get him on board as an adviser.
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