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THE BRITISH THREAD II

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 08:37 am
@Rockhead,
You mean the truth is annoying Rockie. It has nothing to do with me. I don't write the script. Which is probably a good job.

Besides the 20 million barrels a day there is also the oil component in imported goods. You're consuming that as well.

At what point in the safety and environmental concerns expenditure would you say "that's enough safety and environment concerns"? There are millions of people who if you gave them a title, a uniform and a clipboard could take safety and environmental concerns for a run around the block and leave a smoking ruin in their wake with only their righteous indignation still in one piece.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 09:01 am
@spendius,
How do you feel about Canadians, who have higher per capita consumption of petroleum and higher per capita GHG emissions than Americans ?

Have you ever been to the United States? Do you really know anything about It ? I suspect the answer is far less than you think.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 09:49 am
@georgeob1,
I would prefer to keep my own counsel on what I think about Canadians.

Are you suggesting that somebody who holds up five banks is not so bad because somebody else held up six.

I don't for one moment forget my own country's addiction to oil. It drives people mad with delusions of grandeur here as well. That's the problem. Vanity--which has no limit.

I have never been to the USA. I can't see that what I know about it having much to do with the ideas under discussion here. I've read a lot of books and seen a lot of movies and news broadcasts which were produced there. And I mean a lot. I'll claim to be better read in American culture than most A2Kers.

I won the A2K American football championship last season. Against about 30 Yanks. It was embarrassing. There were only a couple who even made a race of it. farmerman was so stuck for words that he explained how he knew what one result would be after the result was announced. This was in the service of claiming he knew as much as I did about NFL. Things like that tell me a great deal about America. And he drove 40 miles to get a pizza.

The reason for calling the company BP, which it has been called for 10 years, was that it is just as much an American company as a British one. Possibly more so. Now that there's been a cock-up it is suddenly called British Petroleum. The fact that it has American staff in the Gulf, American regulation and American hardware is slipping past your noggins just with that crude bit of simple wordplay. Which is to say you are being treated like babies. Things like that tell me plenty about America as well.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 10:34 am
@spendius,
The reason for calling the company BP, is that Americans would not shop as often at British Petroleum. BP makes it sound not so foreign.

really.

now that they are on the front page, it's hard to hide the British part...
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 11:33 am
@Rockhead,
That's because elections are not far off. The name is BP. Or Beepee. It was officially changed to that. It is BP all over the world. An aspect of globalisation logo practice. The Norwich Union is now Aviva. It was nothing to do with where Americans shopped. 2 cents off is where they do shop.

The idea is to hide the American part which, in this case, is almost all there is.

Find me a reference to British Petroleum which pre-dates the accident in the previous 10 years. No--it won't do Rockie. It's just a vote getter and assumes the electorate is infantile. As such quite revealing about the USA.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 11:33 am
@Rockhead,
That's because elections are not far off. The name is BP. Or Beepee. It was officially changed to that. It is BP all over the world. An aspect of globalisation logo practice. The Norwich Union is now Aviva. It was nothing to do with where Americans shopped. 2 cents off is where they do shop.

The idea is to hide the American part which, in this case, is almost all there is.

Find me a reference to British Petroleum which pre-dates the accident in the previous 10 years. No--it won't do Rockie. It's just a vote getter and assumes the electorate is infantile. As such quite revealing about the USA.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 11:41 am
@spendius,
for the most part, the electorate is infantile.

you brits are so much more sophisticated about those things...

Rolling Eyes
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 02:39 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

The reason for calling the company BP, which it has been called for 10 years, was that it is just as much an American company as a British one. Possibly more so. Now that there's been a cock-up it is suddenly called British Petroleum. The fact that it has American staff in the Gulf, American regulation and American hardware is slipping past your noggins just with that crude bit of simple wordplay. Which is to say you are being treated like babies. Things like that tell me plenty about America as well.

Nonsense. Your first sentence is a contradiction: the rest is just a lot of denial and excuses. I think you should do some research on BP's recent safety record and its history with American regulators. BP stands out from the others in terms of its recent (last 5 years) safety record and regulatory infractions - all decidedly worse than all its competitors. Nearly all oil firms operating in the Gulf draw most of their staff resources from this country, but some companies are better run and have higher engineering and safety standards than others - here, in the UK and everywhere else. The accumulated facts strongly suggest that BP has established or allowed lax standards of care in most of its North American activities for a long time. Certainly the details so far available concerning the drilling operation in question tend to confirm that - huge risks were taken involving catastrophic vulnerabilities to single point failures, one that actually occurred.

That and the hypocrisy of BP's recent attempts at rebranding themselves as an environmental company have stoked the vengence of a government and regulatory apparatus that is admittedly far too judgemental and given to the demonization of those who embarass it.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 02:46 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
It is BP all over the world. An aspect of globalisation logo practice.


Interestingly though Hamburg is officially the address of BP Europa SE and the central administration of this (sub-) company is in Bochum, all BP petrol stations in Germany and Luxembourg sell Aral. (BP operates its petrol retail chain under the name Aral after acquiring the majority of Veba Öl AG in 2001. So additionally to former Aral stations now the old BP stations sell Aral as well.)
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 03:26 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Nearly all oil firms operating in the Gulf draw most of their staff resources from this country, but some companies are better run and have higher engineering and safety standards than others - here, in the UK and everywhere else.


How many are operating at the depth Deepwater Horizon was? How many of these other companies would take the risk? Or could do?

BP is 39% American owned. The freezing of its £7 billion dividend will cost American investors about $ 4.5 billion. We are in this together and one party squealing when something goes wrong is not very useful to the alliance in the War on Terror or to NATO.

Did BP need an American licence to drill in the Gulf? If so, what is it doing getting one if it is as bad as you make out?
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 02:47 am

You seem to be managing this debate about BP perfectly well on your own, so:

Cameron plans to fly the Cross of St George (a flag representing England exclusively) above Downing Street (the official residence of the prime minister of the United Kingdom) fot the duration of the World Cup (an upcoming soccer tournament).

Would he fly the Scottish Saltire or the "lion rampant" if Scotland were the sole UK participant? (leaving aside for the moment, the unlikelihood of that happening)

No he assuredly would not.

So all I can say, for Saturday's opening match is

USA! USA!
USA! USA!
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 03:17 am
@McTag,
We have a contest called state of origin rugby league where the losing state has to fly the others flag from a prominent position, say Sydney Harbour Bridge. What Cameron is doing is rather nasty though IMO, he should be courteous enough to fly the team flag.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 04:08 am
@McTag,
Quote:
You seem to be managing this debate about BP perfectly well on your own, so:


It's just a pity the coalition has taken a week to catch up with me eh? CBS used Beepee last night. They reported that the people in the affected coasts are not blaming anybody. They just want the well stopped up and Mr Obama's attempts to deflect blame off America has slowed that process down. If the Republican's can't skewer him in November for that they should get some better candidates. It seems he turned down an offer from the Dutch for some skimming booms but has now changed his mind after a week of dithering.

The company is 40% British owned and 39% American.

I think Mr Cameron is perfectly entitled to fly the English flag on his house and I feel sure if Scotland had qualified he would have flown the Saltire despite there not being many Tory votes beyond the border. I think your assumption Mac that he wouldn't is hardly a reason to support the opponents of the country you live in.

I hope and expect that the USA will qualify for the next stage. USA are 6 to 1 in tomorrow's game. It is played at altitude.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2010 08:06 am
@spendius,
In view of the upcoming misery of the first budget of George Osborne next week, and the terrible situation in the Gulf of Mexico which we are all being told to hope will soon be resolved amicably, I thought a bit of light relief was in order. I never dreamed that it would be a lady writer who would provide it.

I know it is bit long but if you read it in the right spirit, savouring each of Camilla's witticisms as you might a rare French wine, I think you will agree that the extra time and effort you devote to it over and above that you normally do to posts on here, and judging by some of your ideas the time you give to your general reading, will be worth the investment. Savour the "a badger-like blond in a thick, white, millionaire's shirt" and imagine reading that about yourself in The Sunday Times. Goodness me Jeeves-these ladies are getting uppity.

It gives a nice snapshot of the general state of that refined arena of British life in which our new Prime Minister and his Chancellor are not entirely unfamiliar with.

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The Pentacle Queen
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2010 06:41 pm
Well. That game was ******* **** wasn't it?
I did all that shouting and we didn't even win. x
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 06:54 am
I hear the Brits are looking for a new goalie... Very Happy or am I just spreading unfounded rumours ??
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 08:02 am
@spendius,
I don't know what happened to my quote in the previous post but just in case it was my fault here it is. I hope. Part of my motive, apart from the amusement, was to point up how our modern way of organising schools, the Blair way, stands in contrast to the squabbling school boards which control American schools by a mix of forces the bare outline of which can be seen by anyone who pays attention to the evolution threads.

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From The Sunday Times
June 6, 2010
Just don’t ask me about the escort girl
The Carphone Warehouse mogul David Ross is wholly focused and his new academy schools
Camilla Long

I think I must be in the wrong boardroom or something because there’s a topless blonde on an antique sofa in this one and for once David Ross, the former Carphone Warehouse entrepreneur, is nowhere to be seen.

So I go next door, where there’s an even bigger boardroom and sure enough five minutes later Ross appears, a badger-like blond in a thick, white, millionaire’s shirt. He is slightly late because there’s been a muddle with his boy Carl’s school blazer. Ross is separated from Carl’s mother Shelley, a former ballerina who slid into pole dancing, “but I don’t think we need to discuss that in this interview,” he says in his tycoon’s foghorn, something that he says a lot during our 60 minutes together. To the extent, in fact, that when I ask him what he was like at school, he hilariously responds: “Dangerous to speculate.”

Really? I say. Not that dangerous, surely — unless he was a schoolboy serial killer — and besides, when it comes to Ross, Tory donor, schools champ and one of David Cameron’s closest associates, there are far more controversial issues to discuss. His love of parties, for a start, the champagne-soaked bash he gave for his 40th. His toys — the flash gold Land Rover and the chopper he lent Dave.

And what about the grade I-listed manshun in Leicestershire, his £22m Yorkshire shoot, or the villa on Mustique? Then there’s the luscious laydeez he has dated, the models, the PR girls, the, er, models, not to mention the time he and his 23-year-old girlfriend got caught in a compromising position with a 30-year-old Lithuanian escort girl.

No, we won’t be discussing any of that because what Ross is here to talk about is his new programme for schools and the Malcolm Arnold academy that he’s opening in Northamptonshire . . .

Actually, I’m sorry. Stop right there, Rossamondo. We have to discuss the escort. Quite aside from anything else, what really happened after a Christmas party one night last year is still rather a mystery, but what we do know is that at 5am the police were called to Ross’s London house by a distressed Lithuanian escort named Sniezana Kobeniak. Working under the undeniably classy name of Karina Storm, she later told newspapers she had been summoned by a woman to turn up at the house but, when she showed, she was not what was expected and was told to leave without payment.

A scuffle ensued, in which her coat was torn, and then the police were called. Ross was subsequently questioned over her alleged assault; ultimately Kobeniak retracted her claims and the charges were dropped. Nevertheless, it was a scandal. Not only because of Ross’s standing as, until recently, one of the richest men in the country — in 2008 he was worth £873m — but because he had been with Cameron, a man he has cautiously courted for several years, only a few hours earlier. Just months before the election, the timing was disastrous.

So what happened? “Turn the tape off,” barks Ross. Before saying that he can’t comment because of legal proceedings he is considering.

Fine, I say, but what on earth are the parents in Northamptonshire, who might send their children to his academy, going to make of all of this? “I don’t think they’ll buy into all the tittle-tattle,” he says, so I ask him how he feels as a role model to the pupils.

“To the extent that I could be a positive role model,” says Ross, who grew up in Grimsby, the location of his Havelock academy, “I would like them to think that someone from Grimsby can go on and do special things. That, even if you’re born in Grimsby, opportunities are available to you. Aim high, aim for a good university.”

Still, for Ross the drama has come as rather a blow, not least because of all the work he’s been putting into the schools. He has been involved with them for several years after “Andrew Adonis initially got me started”, he explains, referring to the education guru Tony Blair asked to oversee the academies scheme, in which rich sponsors donated £2m to a failing state school in the hope of turning things around. The scheme was broadly ignored by Gordon Brown, but with the advent of the new education secretary Michael Gove, who wants even more academies to open up, Ross is set to get further involved.

He has already donated £2m to the Havelock academy and his second school, the Malcolm Arnold academy, formerly Unity college, will open in September. He eventually hopes to be involved with up to 10 of these academies, “chains of schools that have a geographical cluster, in the same way that Lord Harris has done in southeast London”, he says, referring to the carpet tycoon who has a collection of nine academies in and around Peckham. “I’d like to do mine in Northampton across to Grimsby.”

Ten schools? That’s a massive commitment. Ross insists it’s simply an opportunity “to give a little bit back. Do things a little bit differently and change their life chances”.

He is obviously serious about it, beetling up to Havelock “twice a term”, and keeping a close eye on the school’s statistics, but when I ask if he’d accept a peerage for his efforts, he dodges the question, saying: “That’s not what’s being discussed today.” Come on. You’re happy to be snapped with Sam and Cam at parties. “I’m hugely supportive of Cameron, of course,” he says. “He’s done something very difficult and I respect that, but I don’t see myself as a political figure.”

Neither is he a society one, apparently, although that hasn’t stopped him partying with Prince William on holiday in Mustique, or featuring in Tatler this month as a “house to marry now”. Rather snottily labelled “upwardly mobile”, “Rosso” is pictured next to Nevill Holt, his huge 13th-century house, “an über-pad for his weekend house parties”.

Is he really the most eligible bachelor in Britain, I gasp. He laughs: “Haven’t seen it yet.” So just upwardly mobile? He shrugs: “Where anyone chooses to go on holiday is their decision. Every penny I have earned for myself. I was very lucky to be involved at an early age in the creation of a fantastic business, which enables me to do interesting things [such as] go on holiday in a nice place. I do occasionally go to Mustique.”

Indeed, whatever his attempts at socialising — he often sits silently at dinner parties before barking “let’s go clubbing” as a sign-off — and obnoxious taste in totty (he has been known to introduce squeezes as “my current girlfriend”), when it comes to work Ross is unquestionably dedicated. The barrow-boy act is a bit of a bluff, too: as the grandson of the man who founded Ross Frozen Foods, he was “lucky” to be sent to a boarding school, Uppingham in Rutland. It was a “fantastic school” that taught him to “be self-confident, have all-round skills, play sport, sing in a choir, those sorts of things”, as well as introducing him to his future business partner Charles Dunstone.

In 1989, after a degree in law at Nottingham, he and Dunstone invested £6,000 in some new devices called mobile phones. He spent most of the early 1990s in a London basement developing the business — which is now worth billions.

In recent years, however, things have got tougher. He split up with Shelley, whom he met at an airport but never married, and in 2006 was struck by a tragedy when his stepsister and her boyfriend, who lived on the estate of one of Ross’s houses, Brampton Ash in Northamptonshire, were murdered by her estranged husband, who then burnt down their house.

“It was clearly a terrible, terrible time for all of us,” says Ross. He has since sold the house but it “remains a terrible and difficult situation and I don’t want to talk about it”.

Then there was his resignation from Carphone Warehouse after an embarrassing kerfuffle over his shares, in which he took out a loan against his 20% stake in the company without telling the board. “The timing was unfortunate,” says Ross. And then, well, there was the escort girl.

Still, he refuses to look back, concentrating instead on the schools and his remaining businesses, rugby and collecting art. His Piccadilly headquarters is stuffed with modern work. The naked girl next door is a picture, of course, by Bob Carlos Clarke, the late erotic photographer. “But don’t write about it!” shouts Ross on the telephone later.

“You weren’t meant to see that! You went into a room you weren’t meant to be in! If you write about it, I’ll have to have all my meetings in the Wolseley ... We’re not here to discuss that!”



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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 08:38 am
@The Pentacle Queen,
Quote:
Well. That game was ******* **** wasn't it?
I did all that shouting and we didn't even win. x


I don't know that that's a fair assessment of the match Queenie. It's very feminine though I must admit. All you ladies seem to want is a lot of scoring and thrilling moments and close-ups of footballers hairy legs.

But it is as well to remember that the players are all millionaires and are pretty knackered after a long hard season in the Premier League. Wayne Rooney's daily grind going on for 8 long months of training, playing, getting treatment, paying his lovely wife's shopping bills, travelling, with all the sacrifices that entails, not least the constant stream of hopeful bimbos who are besotted by celebrity, does take it out of one and I fear would leave us all, were we ever to try it, comatose on the sofa hoping we can recover before the next season begins. And the money in the World Cup is not all that good compared to what they are used to.

Fabio has said no wags and no going out looking for substitutes.

You must think men are machines which you simply put a new battery in and flip the switch and the response in immediate and constant until the top 5% of the energy has leaked away. We are human and frail and the footballers just as much as the rest of us.

I bet you couldn't run from one penalty spot to the other, and back, without making us all laugh. And you might not even be able to manage that in the thin air they were straining in.

Perhaps you would prefer exhibition games where they let each other score to please the fashionable audience. What you saw last night was two teams doing the best they could under all the circumstances to win the game or at least not lose it. What you saw was what you get in such a setting and panning it is to miss the point entirely. It is unscientific for the obvious reason that a scientist is only interested in what he gets. It's inartistic too. It looks too narrowly at the picture.

Imagine being Robert Green's wog this morning. Or his Mum. Or his next door neighbours. But he did also make a miracle reflex save as well after that Yank winger had taken advantage of Jamie Carracher aching legs. It's a human activity and not a board game.

Imagine being the keeper of the bath towels when the players returned for a plunge.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 10:06 am
@Ionus,
I heard this morning that the Brits think of soccer as a field game and that goalies are secondary.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 11:46 am
@plainoldme,
That's what comes of talking to people who don't know anything about sport and probably not much about anything else.
 

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