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THE BRITISH THREAD II

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2009 02:51 pm
@spendius,

Spendy wrote:
I come from the distant past.


And a distant galaxy.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2009 07:03 pm
@McTag,
Wouldn't that be lovely?
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2009 07:32 pm
@spendius,
It suddenly struck me in the pub tonight that I have never, not once, been out with a woman wearing trousers. And I have been out with a lot of them.

Reflecting on the matter it struck me that if any one of them had turned up in trousers I would have buggered off. Promise or no promise. They look so ******* ridiculous.
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:19 am
@spendius,

Contentious as ever. Not every woman can wear the trouser, admittedly, but some do it better than others.
Hillary Clinton (why can't she spell Hilary?) looks bad in trousers, but I reckon daren't risk the skirt with legs like that.
Was that cruel and rude?
Sorry.
Francis
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:23 am
@McTag,
No, it was precise observation.

I don't care about trousers or skirts or whatever.

I'm more concerned about how it's like when I've removed those artifacts..
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:25 am
@Francis,

And good morning! to the red-blooded Frenchman.

Toujours l'amour for sure.
Francis
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:50 am
@McTag,
Good morning, McT and all!

For sure! Twisted Evil
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 02:14 pm
@SerSo,

Hey that guy SerSo who was going to take a trip to London hasn't come back here yet.
I wonder if he had a nice time, and spent lots of money?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 07:00 pm
What a week of snooker and what a fantastic finale. I've been spellbound on the sofa all week. I think Hazel is pregnant. Six months it looked to me.

How on earth did a woman get in on that? It's as bad as me getting into the netball changing room.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 01:30 am
@spendius,

I don't like any programme with snooker or darts or horses in it being broadcast to my TV, especially not with BBC money from my licencing fee.
I don't like snooker. And I don't like watching snooker. Although darts programmes are worse. I don't like horsey programmes either, neither point-to-point nor dressage nor showjumping except when somebody falls off, nor horse racing. I don't like them. And I don't care for the people who participate in them. And especially the people who commentate on them except maybe Claire Balding. She seems like a nice person.
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 06:43 am
Spendi,

You asked why there's no news about the financial crisis is France.

You know I usually don't engage in controversial topics such as this for a set of various reasons.

First, in such international forums, national susceptibilities often overwhelm reality, thus preventing constructive debate.

A useful policy of a country is seen as counterproductive to others.

France has built along the years a net of protections for the more unfavoured layers of society.

This net is seen as a hallmark of hard socialism, for example, by most of Americans.

But even for capitalists here, it has its utility.

You have seen that last week American news come with a figure that was awful by its magnitude: 500 000 Americans lost their jobs.

Our laws currently prevent this from happening in such a short delay.

So, this net acts like brakes when a crisis arise.

It also has its dark side, it prevents from recovering quickly from a crisis.

All in all, you don't have news from France because there's no news or very few news.

France is going into the crisis, but slowly enough to not hurt that much.

Also, governement have to deal with opinion :

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The figures from France show that the popularity of development assistance remains high in the context of the economic crisis. Could this be because people realise that if the economic situation of the rich countries in a global financial crisis is dire, the economic position of poor people in developing countries is even worse? Whatever the reason, public support for development has been consistently high across OECD countries over the past 20 years (see Figure above). Support has never dropped below 70 per cent and reached 90 per cent in many European countries in 2004. The overall trend of support is rising, despite economic fluctuations.
The evidence demonstrates that public support for development aid is high, and it has remained high for the past two decades. Politicians looking for an “easy”cut in their budgets may want to think twice. First, the high support for development aid is reflected in a well organised global civil society that will resist breaches of donor commitments for more and better aid. Indeed, in leaner times, attitudes seem to be more charitable, and redistribution more popular. Second, in times of a global financial crisis, poor people in developing countries need development assistance more than ever. Taxpayers seem to realise this. Their policy makers must realise it, too.

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 08:49 am
@Francis,
Thanks Francis.

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First, in such international forums, national susceptibilities often overwhelm reality, thus preventing constructive debate.


That's only true for "soft" thinkers who indulge their national susceptibilities, which I don't.

Would you agree that "hard socialism", or even just "ordinary socialism" is complete anathema to Darwinianism?

Might I ask you a few reality questions-

To what extent is positive discrimination a factor in France.

Does France "dumb down" educational standards so that more people "pass" exams.

Is there a rigorous anti-smoking policy in France?

Do you think Alphaville represents a fair prediction of where control freakery gets to with technology to aid it.

Does France continue to maintain its restrictions on American movies?

What's your investment advice? I get the impression our lot don't know what they are doing apart from trying to keep themselves in office.


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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 09:40 am
spendi wrote:
Would you agree that "hard socialism", or even just "ordinary socialism" is complete anathema to Darwinianism?

I would say it's definitely true for die-hard Darwinists.

But others, as myself, do think that "mild" socialism is a way nature and necessity come up with, in order to prevent too much damage to the tribe (species).

If Darwinism applied in its purity to any society, (the survival of the fittest), we wouldn't see nepotism to the extent we have observed it for centuries.

Nepotism, going along with incompetence threshold, therefore leads to kakistocracy.

The current crisis is a symptom the societal body is sick, illness that was cured previously by revolutions.

But the kakistocrats still being in place, I have little hope this illness will improve durably.

As for the other questions, I'll be back later..
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 12:20 pm
Spendi wrote:
To what extent is positive discrimination a factor in France.
To very small extent. Looks like positive discrimination is not a notion that enters easily the mind of the locals. Only laws, and enforcing them, seem to have some effect.
We have, for few years now, a law about parity. However, the result is disastrous. Political parties prefer to pay high fines rather than to have an equivalent number of women in their candidates lists.

and wrote:
Does France "dumb down" educational standards so that more people "pass" exams.
Some of these trends are just a matter of fashion, they propagate from country to country at high speed. They are talking about it by the times being, but there's no decision. There's also a tough opposition to it.

and wrote:
Is there a rigorous anti-smoking policy in France?
I wouldn't say that it is very rigourous, even though they try to enforce the law. It's more that people are trying to respect those who don't want to be bothered with smoke.

and wrote:
Do you think Alphaville represents a fair prediction of where control freakery gets to with technology to aid it.
Knowing what they can do with technology, I'm very much afraid that it will be the case. But being very optimistic by nature, I hope that my maxim will be true: the worse may never happen..

and wrote:
Does France continue to maintain its restrictions on American movies?
This is an assertion with no foundation. France never restricted American movies. France has a quota policy about French and European movies (at least 40% of French movies OR 60% of European movies) but doesn't discriminate by origins.

and wrote:
What's your investment advice? I get the impression our lot don't know what they are doing apart from trying to keep themselves in office.
Mind to elaborate?

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 02:29 pm
@Francis,
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Political parties prefer to pay high fines rather than to have an equivalent number of women in their candidates lists.


That's a tax. Our lot must be skint then. I hadn't thought of buying our way out of trouble. I have been relying on prayer.

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There's also a tough opposition to it.


I expect there would be from a nation that values its intellectuals. If you don't you end up with very averagely intelligent people in large numbers getting certificates telling them how brilliant they are and having unshiftable opinions on everything and anything irrespective of whether they know anything at all about anything under the sun. They come to think they have a right to just pull the chain on anything of no further use to them and that they all can win in life's ridiculous rat race. You don't want that do you?

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I wouldn't say that it is very rigourous, even though they try to enforce the law. It's more that people are trying to respect those who don't want to be bothered with smoke.


Can a bar or cafe owner be fined and imprisoned if he allows customers to smoke within his/her premises?

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Knowing what they can do with technology, I'm very much afraid that it will be the case. But being very optimistic by nature, I hope that my maxim will be true: the worse may never happen..


They are climbing up the wall here. They are trying to get the banks lending freely again and that's exactly how we got here. This time the government knows it is taking the risk. It doesn't seem to have done before. And savers have been screwed and spendthrifts rewarded. It'll be like the Brezhnev years before too long. Once the government gets its hands on who gets finance it all becomes political. And they can't make their minds up whether to recommend that the public save or go on a spending binge. They need a spending binge to keep unemployment down and they need us to save to prevent another fiasco.

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This is an assertion with no foundation. France never restricted American movies.


The reason I asked about that was that I saw some reports about a GAAT summit a few years ago in which France was at loggerheads with the US on the matter and, if I remember correctly, the French dug their heels in on it. I probably only noticed it because of my surprise at how much it seemed to matter. I think the French passed up some US concession to stand firm.

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Mind to elaborate?


I wondered if you had any signposts for the future. I haven't.
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 02:45 pm
spendi wrote:
I wondered if you had any signposts for the future. I haven't.
Well, I begin to discern some signs that could lead to interesting rewards. But they're just to tiny to give credit to it right now. Maybe in a few weeks...
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 05:19 pm

Just think what Francis could achieve if he had two ears.
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margo
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 08:05 pm
'ear! 'ear!
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 04:24 am
@Francis,
Francis-- who or what do you think has all the money we are all supposed to have lost? Did it ever exist?
Francis
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 06:27 am
@spendius,

Spendi, I know too well that you know the answer to this question.

However, I'll put forth a metaphor, for educational purposes:

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A young boy asks his father..."Dad; what is the difference between hypothetically and realistically"? The father tells him..." Son; I don't really now how to tell you but I can set you up an example". The Father says..."go ask your mother, if she would sleep with another man for one million dollars". The boy says..."I can't ask her a question like that". The father says... "sure you can, just tell her I said it was ok for you to ask". The boy comes back and tells his father that she said, she would sleep with another man for one million dollars.

The father tells him to go ask his sister if she would sleep with a man for one million dollars. the boy goes to ask, and returns saying that she would also.

The father says..."back to the point of the question, son;....Hypothetically, we are sitting on two million dollars...realistically, we are living with a couple of whores".


If you feel you still need a straight forward reply to your question, I'll offer one..

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