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THE BRITISH THREAD II

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 01:30 pm
McTag wrote:
... should the churches be accordingly stopped from ringing their bells on Sunday and on other occasions, which they have been doing for what, 800 years?


The do it at least three time per day - the 'angelus' - and additionally for the morning mass, other services ... (Though they stopped it for alarming the fire brigade. :wink: )
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Steve 41oo
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 02:09 pm
McTag wrote:
Here's something I read in The Spectator.

The city fathers of Oxford, a historic English university town, have before them a proposal to allow the muslim community to broadcast (by loudspeakers, and loudly no doubt) the call to prayer from their mosque.

I believe a new mosque is being built, one with a large dome and a high minaret.

The call to prayer takes place five times a day, first one at dawn, which in summer is something like 5am.
I imagine most of the Oxford citizens will not want that, whether they be Christian or whatever.

So: do they refuse this request? And if they do, should the churches be accordingly stopped from ringing their bells on Sunday and on other occasions, which they have been doing for what, 800 years?


What amuses me about this is its the Anglican Bishop of Oxford who wants the Islamic call to prayer to be broadcast over the dreaming spires. (Its not even a person, just a recording and loudspeaker). The Bishop believes it is "our Christian duty" to allow it. He's hoping that by showing Christian tolerance, it will be reciprocated towards Christians living in Islamic countries. (What a jerk)

Its not equivalent to church bells btw. The Muslim call to prayer is a theological command. Its not just an alarm clock or a noise like bells.

Personally I'm all for it. I dont live in Oxford and dont particularly like the place.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 02:18 pm
I suggest authorizing it immediately after Saudi Arabia authorizes the construction of a Christian church in Mecca - or anywhere in that country.

The practical solution however is to allow the call to prayer, but prohibit the loud playing of amplified sound of any kind.
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Steve 41oo
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 02:24 pm
this recent response to the Oxford Mail

Quote:
Posted by: Mac Attack, Oxford on 10:10am Fri 11 Jan 08
If the Muslims are allowed to have their "Call to Prayer", then I should be allowed to broadcast an Atheist "Call to Reason". Maybe a selection of Richard Dawkins quotes would be appropriate? Perhaps this one: [italic]"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out"[/italic]
If the Muslims are allowed to have their "Call to Prayer", then I should be allowed to broadcast an Atheist "Call to Reason". Maybe a selection of Richard Dawkins quotes would be appropriate?

Perhaps this one: "By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out"
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 02:24 pm
George wrote-

Quote:
Spendi's last post seemed a bit forced, lacking the twists & turns that usually accompany his prose. Is it the sting of defeat? - or something else?



Okay George- let's put it this way. Can a batter at baseball be humiliated in anyway comparable to this.

Our hero, is playing in his maiden test match for England against the main enemy which is, as everybody of enlightened delicacy of taste knows, is Australia. And in Australia, at Brisbane's famous Woolloongabba ground known colloquially as The Gabba

It is called his maiden test match because he hasn't done it before. His selection for the No4 position, a batter's slot, has been hotly debated throughout England during the previous summer here and a long-time England cricket hero has been dropped to make way for him due to his reaction times shading off a bit as he has aged and has been partaking of too much social life when on tour where his wife can't keep an eye on him.

Our hero is top of the averages in the County game and his Mom and Pop are immensly proud of him as they have been all through his career since he first showed promise at 5 as are all his relations, friends, neighbours and most of the population of his hometown apart from solitary anti-Iders and bastard traffic wardens.

It is hot at The Gabba and Australia have made 369 in their first innings after our hero had spilled a very difficult catch at backward point off the Aussie captain, Mr Ponting, before he had scored and who then went on to carry his bat to 152 not out every run of which was a red hot dagger to our hero's heart. As well they might have been as 217 is considered advantage England.

It is by now mid morning on the second day and it is England's turn to bat.

The time in England is around 1 am but all our hero's followers have not gone to bed. His Mom and Pop have a house full.

The openers (that's No 1 and No 2) manage to see off the new ball and scrape together 80 with some astute nurdling of the 92 mph fizzers, late cutters, boucers and jaffas they are facing before No 2, in trying to fend off one aimed at the chin dolls-up a catch to silly mid-off breaking a finger in the process. This brings No3 to the wicket and he, with No 1, moves the score on to 210 when a blatantly obvious hometown umpire's decision halts their progress and No 3 is back in the hutch.

Mom and Pop move to the edge of their seats and out into the cauldron of baying Australian fanatics comes our hero not having slept a wink the previous night despite being knackered from six hours in the field the previous day. He looks up at the sky with wide open eyes so he can adjust them to the light, he's already sweating from sitting in the pavillion padded up and wearing his box for four hours taking good luck calls from home and the hair on the back of his neck is stood out straight. He swings his arms around and does some running on the spot as he walks towards his position to get his feet moving as any sluggish foot movement presages speedy doom in these circumstances. The bowler is, as one might expect, on fire from having removed No3 as are the other fielders. He then proceeds to take guard as slowly as he dare and marks the pitch with boot scrapes so that he can position his bat where he thinks best for his type of strokeplay. Then he survers the fielders to give him an idea of where the gaps are. During this period, 3 minutes about, the close fielders are sledging him. Subjects ranging from how useless he is, how soon he'll be gone, which ball is dangerous and the likely activities of his girlfriend or wife while he is away. As the bowler runs in to deliver the first ball an Australian in the crowd throws a crust of bread onto the outfield and a flock of seagulls in his sightline takes off and the ball after deviating six inches off the pitch from four yards from the batting crease at 90 mph catches his pads, then his glove, which is considered as part of the bat, you need slow mo to see it, loops over the stumper and is caught by short third man, who, on seeing the batsmen go for a run, aims at the stumps at the non striker's end, just in case it was a no-ball, to which our hero is running in a desperate attempt to get off the mark and with a direct hit runs him out by half an inch. He's out for a duck, first ball, the crowd are delerious, the Aussie team are laughing in a very exaggerated manner and his Mom and Pop slump bach in despair. The camera follws his dejected return to the pavillion, and it's over 100 yards, and a little yellow duck is put in the corner of the screen the quacking forlornly to accompany the picture. In the inquest he was given out lbw (that's leg before wicket) as that was the first event, but he was also out caught and if that's not bad enough he was run out for good measure.

England get to 320 after an heroic innings by a tail-ender, one of the bowlers, and Australia then go back for their second innings with a 49 run lead at the halfway stage. Slight favourites. Half an hour before tea on the third day. By the time they declare with a 550 run lead half an hour before close of play on the fourth day with the light not so good the England team are completly phewked and can only hope for a draw by batting out the remaining day and a bit.

No 1 is out with two overs to go and a nightwatchman is sent in to protect the other batsmen. He performs out of his skin and batting with No 2 and then No 3 they manage to get through to mid afternoon and England hopes are rising that they won't be going one down in the 5 match series.

When he goes to general applause, as bowlers are not batsmen, into the arena steps our hero again and he's on a "king pair". That's two first ball ducks. An ordinary pair is just two ducks. His orders are to waste as much time as possible and to take no risks. Runs are irrelevant.

At this stage of a test match there are some rough patches on both sides of the crease, a phenomena only known in one other sport, caused by the bowlers feet on their follow through and hence the spin bowlers are in operation. These are very wily characters and especially under such conditions and fielders are all around the batsmen, one of them casting a shadow just where the ball is likely to pitch. And they are sledging again. More than before. The first ball pitches right in a foothole in the shadow, keep low, turns sideways and only his pads stop it hitting the middle stump half way up. The Aussies do a war dance, the bookies revise the oidds, the commentators who wanted the other guy for No 4 are doing sarcastic variations on the "I told you" principle and Mom and Pop take the sedatives and go to bed at dawn.

We have however a happy ending as Nos 6 and 7 manage to bat out time although I don't expect dadpad or Dutchy to believe that.

Is there any baseball scenario as humiliating as that George?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 02:32 pm
getting up early (ok by my standards) on Sunday to go for bike ride I heard the religious news broadcast

1. Roman Catholic Bishop of Malawi? a practicing witch doctor and married to a moonie has been excommunicated but demands continued recognition by the church authorities . His recent book signing in New York nearly caused a riot.

2. Anglican Bishop backs Muslim call to prayer in Oxford (see above)

3. Pope banned from University campus in Rome.

Smile
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 02:41 pm
Mac wrote-

Quote:
I believe a new mosque is being built, one with a large dome and a high minaret.

The call to prayer takes place five times a day, first one at dawn, which in summer is something like 5am.
I imagine most of the Oxford citizens will not want that, whether they be Christian or whatever.


So long as the contract goes to McAlpine's or Wimpey there should be few difficulties.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 03:00 pm
good post spendy. had me on the edge of my seat. Wish you blokes would play for a win though.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 05:20 pm
Discussed the Oxford thing in the pub tonight.

Consensus, that the call to prayer is medieval and old-fashioned, and unnecessary. Could be done easily nowadays by automated mobile phone messages. Suggest that is what they do.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 05:27 pm
A reasonable approach. Will it fly?

I'm still trying to figure out Spendi's cricket story, but fear that I cannot bridge the cultural divide. However, I will readily concede that he's got his twists and turns and other rhetorical devices back in full working order.

Now all we have to fear is Walter's triumphalism.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 05:29 pm
spendius wrote:
George wrote-

Quote:
Spendi's last post seemed a bit forced, lacking the twists & turns that usually accompany his prose. Is it the sting of defeat? - or something else?



Okay George- let's put it this way. Can a batter at baseball be humiliated in anyway comparable to this.

Our hero, is playing in his maiden test match for England against the main enemy which is, as everybody of enlightened delicacy of taste knows, is Australia. And in Australia, at Brisbane's famous Woolloongabba ground known colloquially as The Gabba

It is called his maiden test match because he hasn't done it before. His selection for the No4 position, a batter's slot, has been hotly debated throughout England during the previous summer here and a long-time England cricket hero has been dropped to make way for him due to his reaction times shading off a bit as he has aged and has been partaking of too much social life when on tour where his wife can't keep an eye on him.

Our hero is top of the averages in the County game and his Mom and Pop are immensly proud of him as they have been all through his career since he first showed promise at 5 as are all his relations, friends, neighbours and most of the population of his hometown apart from solitary anti-Iders and bastard traffic wardens.

It is hot at The Gabba and Australia have made 369 in their first innings after our hero had spilled a very difficult catch at backward point off the Aussie captain, Mr Ponting, before he had scored and who then went on to carry his bat to 152 not out every run of which was a red hot dagger to our hero's heart. As well they might have been as 217 is considered advantage England.

It is by now mid morning on the second day and it is England's turn to bat.

The time in England is around 1 am but all our hero's followers have not gone to bed. His Mom and Pop have a house full.

The openers (that's No 1 and No 2) manage to see off the new ball and scrape together 80 with some astute nurdling of the 92 mph fizzers, late cutters, boucers and jaffas they are facing before No 2, in trying to fend off one aimed at the chin dolls-up a catch to silly mid-off breaking a finger in the process. This brings No3 to the wicket and he, with No 1, moves the score on to 210 when a blatantly obvious hometown umpire's decision halts their progress and No 3 is back in the hutch.

Mom and Pop move to the edge of their seats and out into the cauldron of baying Australian fanatics comes our hero not having slept a wink the previous night despite being knackered from six hours in the field the previous day. He looks up at the sky with wide open eyes so he can adjust them to the light, he's already sweating from sitting in the pavillion padded up and wearing his box for four hours taking good luck calls from home and the hair on the back of his neck is stood out straight. He swings his arms around and does some running on the spot as he walks towards his position to get his feet moving as any sluggish foot movement presages speedy doom in these circumstances. The bowler is, as one might expect, on fire from having removed No3 as are the other fielders. He then proceeds to take guard as slowly as he dare and marks the pitch with boot scrapes so that he can position his bat where he thinks best for his type of strokeplay. Then he survers the fielders to give him an idea of where the gaps are. During this period, 3 minutes about, the close fielders are sledging him. Subjects ranging from how useless he is, how soon he'll be gone, which ball is dangerous and the likely activities of his girlfriend or wife while he is away. As the bowler runs in to deliver the first ball an Australian in the crowd throws a crust of bread onto the outfield and a flock of seagulls in his sightline takes off and the ball after deviating six inches off the pitch from four yards from the batting crease at 90 mph catches his pads, then his glove, which is considered as part of the bat, you need slow mo to see it, loops over the stumper and is caught by short third man, who, on seeing the batsmen go for a run, aims at the stumps at the non striker's end, just in case it was a no-ball, to which our hero is running in a desperate attempt to get off the mark and with a direct hit runs him out by half an inch. He's out for a duck, first ball, the crowd are delerious, the Aussie team are laughing in a very exaggerated manner and his Mom and Pop slump bach in despair. The camera follws his dejected return to the pavillion, and it's over 100 yards, and a little yellow duck is put in the corner of the screen the quacking forlornly to accompany the picture. In the inquest he was given out lbw (that's leg before wicket) as that was the first event, but he was also out caught and if that's not bad enough he was run out for good measure.

England get to 320 after an heroic innings by a tail-ender, one of the bowlers, and Australia then go back for their second innings with a 49 run lead at the halfway stage. Slight favourites. Half an hour before tea on the third day. By the time they declare with a 550 run lead half an hour before close of play on the fourth day with the light not so good the England team are completly phewked and can only hope for a draw by batting out the remaining day and a bit.

No 1 is out with two overs to go and a nightwatchman is sent in to protect the other batsmen. He performs out of his skin and batting with No 2 and then No 3 they manage to get through to mid afternoon and England hopes are rising that they won't be going one down in the 5 match series.

When he goes to general applause, as bowlers are not batsmen, into the arena steps our hero again and he's on a "king pair". That's two first ball ducks. An ordinary pair is just two ducks. His orders are to waste as much time as possible and to take no risks. Runs are irrelevant.

At this stage of a test match there are some rough patches on both sides of the crease, a phenomena only known in one other sport, caused by the bowlers feet on their follow through and hence the spin bowlers are in operation. These are very wily characters and especially under such conditions and fielders are all around the batsmen, one of them casting a shadow just where the ball is likely to pitch. And they are sledging again. More than before. The first ball pitches right in a foothole in the shadow, keep low, turns sideways and only his pads stop it hitting the middle stump half way up. The Aussies do a war dance, the bookies revise the oidds, the commentators who wanted the other guy for No 4 are doing sarcastic variations on the "I told you" principle and Mom and Pop take the sedatives and go to bed at dawn.

We have however a happy ending as Nos 6 and 7 manage to bat out time although I don't expect dadpad or Dutchy to believe that.

Is there any baseball scenario as humiliating as that George?


Respect, Spendy, very good. This even from a non-cricket-loving Jock.

That should be "phenomenon", by the way.

Enjoyed reading it.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 05:57 pm
Some folks think British muslims are too extreme....

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/32400/British-Muslims-are-too-extreme-
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 06:30 pm
You can understand it Mac. They are bit in the ****.

They want to be British for the gravy train we have, which they don't have going where they bolted from, and they are trying to avoid the pain and suffering required to get at it.

I know a few muslims, cricketers mainly, who can knock seven pints of John Smith's Extra Smooth back and cop off with a bint who hasn't tried a darkie before and never give a thought to seeking the approval of her family.

Maybe you listen to the empty kettles too much.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:12 am
We see nowadays more and more footballers, when they score a goal, cross themselves and offer grateful thanks to the heavens in a theatrical fashion.

What f**king stupid nonsense.

Do they think the Almighty is bothered about a piddling football match, and gives a flying f*ck about who scores the goals?
Do they consider that 80% of their audience are probably non-catholic, and of the remainder 50% support the other team anyway and resent such display?

Don't they realise that scoring goals is what they are paid for, and is what is expected of them?
Would it happen in any other profession? If a dentist pulls a tooth, does he scream and offer it up as a gift to God? When an accountant finishes balancing a ledger, does he flamboyantly bless himself, throw out his arms, and collapse weeping?

No. He doesn't.

So I object.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:14 am
There there Mctag, get all off your chest and it'll be all better
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:18 am
Shower of poncy poofs. And furriners.

Actually it was George Best who started it in this country.

Not the blessing part, obviously.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:58 am
You can take it out on the rabbit if you wish.

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3056144#3056144
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 05:55 am
good cricketing post Spendy only just read it. You didnt write for Boys Own at all? Bloke next door use to draw Lord Snooty and his Pals for the Dandy. (Or was it the Beano?)

Religion...dont get me going. There is a comedy slot on R4 in the morning called Thought for the Day. Today it was Richard Harries. Now I happened to have followed this bloke's career. He started as a vicar and talked about the ineffable mysteries. Now he is Rt Rev Lord Harries of Penrith or something and I kid you not, wondered (as he had been to the Edinburgh Fringe and seen a stand up comedian) if Jesus was The First Stand Up Comedian.

Muslims. The Home Secretary (she's the one with the big bazoomas) waffled on about the safeguards surrounding her plan to intern Muslims for a maximum 42 days and only then in very extreme circumstances.

Meanwhile Henry Kissinger (for it is he) acknowledges the end of American hegemony and the rise of China. My own view is that the panic redunction of interest rates by the Fed on 22/01/08 was an event of world historic significance. The baton has passed on to new hands.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 05:57 am
mct wrote furriners


"No results found for furriners.
Did you mean furriness (in dictionary) or Furryness (in encyclopedia)?
"
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 07:10 am
My all too brief and hurried cricket story had a purpose.

I have a theory that American sport, indeed American life, is conditioned on the basic principle that being humiliated with Mom as a witness is an unthinkable blasphemy.

What, for example, is the baseball fielder's mitt for. I once saw a lady in the crowd catch a mighty six hit high into the furthest stand with her bare hands after she had laid her knitting to one side during the flight of the ball. It is obviously so that the fielder can easily make a catch and so not have to suffer from derisory laughter being directed his way.

I have tried to watch baseball and American football on many occasions and the thing that stands out is that nobody ever gets humiliated. They all look tough and competent at all times. And the commentators do their best to praise.

It looks to me, and I welcome being proved wrong, that this feature is a basic principle in American life and explains their lack of a proper sense of humour. I think it will do for them in the end.

If they can aim to put a man on the moon in ten years I don't see why they can't aim, as a national priority, to win the World Cup at proper football and knock Australia off top perch in Test Match cricket.

Their top golfers are all household names throughout Europe and are seen as outstanding ambassadors for their country and I can't think of one of them who is not admired by legions of fans here. Even Lee Trevino was loved. Which of their baseball and football players can you say that about?

Geoffrey Gorer in his book The Americans explains the psychological dynamics of it all. It is as if Mom's love is conditional on success so obviously everybody has to be a success and that takes a great deal of stage management seeing as how the vast majority of people are complete goofballs.

If I was standing for election next November I would make this matter the theme of my campaign. When all the voters are "wonderful people" there's something wrong. And I would lose big. They don't want facts. They want movies.
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