Faith is itself not sufficent to make something true. Something may not be true even if one has faith that it is true. This is because faiths have the possibility of being false.
Also, "because I said so" is itself not sufficent to make something true. Something may not be true even if that person or thing said "because I said so." This is because things which say "because I said so" have the possibility of being false.
Examples:
I have faith that "2+2=5" is true.
Two plus 2 equals five because I said so.
Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
Faith does not claim to make anything truth. Faith is a confident belief.
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Francis
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:00 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Kill me now.
Then, how do we gonna laugh?
Having faith that it's funny?
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gustavratzenhofer
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:01 pm
Would you repeat that please, Francis?
A little slower this time.
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Bi-Polar Bear
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:01 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Kill me now.
I understand your frustration at not being able to plumb the depths of this post and reach enlightenment through it Gus. It gives someone a small feeling, as though we could be merely an atom on someones shirt sleeve.
PM me and we'll discuss it in terms more easily understood.
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Francis
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:05 pm
Ethmer wrote:
Faith is a confident belief.
Are there beliefs that are not confident?
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Bi-Polar Bear
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:06 pm
Francis wrote:
Ethmer wrote:
Faith is a confident belief.
Are there beliefs that are not confident?
I believe I'd like a glass of wine but because it's only noon I'm not confident squinney will allow me to start drinking this early.
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Francis
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:06 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Would you repeat that please, Francis?
A little slower this time.
Well, I have little faith in my pronounciation...
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Francis
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:08 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I'm not confident squinney will allow me to start drinking this early.
Have faith, man!
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Bi-Polar Bear
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:11 pm
throw in her sisters hope and charity and we've got a party going....
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gustavratzenhofer
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:13 pm
This thread is showing depths of theological debate that, frankly, I had not expected.
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Bi-Polar Bear
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:16 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
This thread is showing depths of theological debate that, frankly, I had not expected.
hang in there Gus.... enlightenment awaits....
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Extropy
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:38 pm
Ethmer wrote:
faith (fāth)
n.
Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
Faith does not claim to make anything truth. Faith is a confident belief.
I do not see how that is the case. Faiths are themselves truth claims, "I have faith that p is true," or something of the like.
What I am saying is that confident beliefs are not necessarily true just because they are confident beliefs, and they have the possibility of being false.
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Francis
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Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:40 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
.. enlightenment awaits....
A post has just been erased. Looks like this thread's author doesn't have faith in further enlightenment..
Gus, can you add some sensitive comment that could enlighten us?
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