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Britain: Islamic Law Becoming Law of the Land

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 08:31 am
Islamic law is becoming the law of the land in select pockets of Britain, according to a recent bbc Radio 4 program.

Though sharia law?-the Islamic code of justice?-has no legal authority in Britain, some Muslims are sidestepping the English criminal justice system in order to have their cases tried by Islamic judges.

"Sharia courts now operate in most larger cities," said Patrick Sookhdeo, director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, in a November 30 Telegraph article. "[D]ifferent sectarian and ethnic groups operat[e] their own courts that cater to their specific needs according to their traditions."

Sookhdeo calls these sharia councils an "alternative parallel unofficial legal system."

Polls indicate significant support among British Muslims for the sharia system. In a report in the August 7 edition of the Scotsman, one third of British Muslims said they would prefer living under Islamic law?-in England?-rather than British law.

The Telegraph article cited a specific case where a group of Somali youths, arrested over suspicion of stabbing a Somali teenager, were released on bail when the victim's family said they wanted to settle the case out of court. The matter was decided by an unofficial Somali court in southeast London.

A Somalian youth worker, explaining the case to the bbc, said, "Us Somalis, wherever we are in the world, we have our own law. It's not sharia, it's not religious?-it's just a cultural thing."

A Scotland Yard spokesman told the Telegraph that police often don't follow through on assault cases if the victims don't press charges.

Britain has done a notoriously terrible job of assimilating its burgeoning immigrant population. Embarrassed by its own imperial history, it is eager to accommodate the eccentricities of whatever foreign cultures may choose to plant their flags on British soil. It provides them no sense of pride in Britishness, nothing positive to identify with. It is afraid to insist on migrants giving up anything of their own cultural identity, even when that may pose a threat to other Britons.

This fact has resulted in Britain, particularly London, playing host to an astonishing amount of hair-raisingly anti-British attitudes and activities. Numerous radical groups?-including arms of al Qaeda?-have planted their headquarters or significant operations there. Says Melanie Phillips in her book Londonistan, "UK-based terrorists have carried out operations in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kenya, Tanzania, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, Morocco, Russia, Spain and the United States." Consider this list of infamous Islamists: the murderer of journalist Daniel Pearl; al Qaeda members who sought to target U.S. financial centers; the man who rammed an explosive-laden truck into police barracks in Kashmir; shoe-bomber Richard Reid; suicide bombers who blew up Israelis in a Tel Aviv bar; one of the masterminds behind two attacks in Bali. All these terrorists called England their home.

The existence within British cities of courts judging British citizens who commit crimes by foreign laws is yet another example of how Britain's unquestioning devotion to the principles of multiculturalism is eroding its sense of national identity and endangering its people. For more information, read our article "The Sickness in Britain's Heart."
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contrex
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 04:23 pm
As A British person, I am used to reading biased stories like this in the American media, where facts are selected and juggled about to paint a certain picture. It's nowhere near the truth. There are "unofficial" Jewish courts in North London that settle disputes over family matters, property etc where all parties agree to avoid the trouble and expense of litigation. And so what?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 04:53 pm
I think you mean "As an unarmed British subject....".
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 04:57 pm
GUN NEWS IN ENGLAND

Gunpoint Robberies Soar in U.K.
"The number of robberies involving firearms jumped 10% last year, including a 9% rise in street robberies at gunpoint, official figures have revealed. Home Office statistics also showed a 46% leap in residential robberies involving a firearm in 2005/06. Criminals used guns in a record 645 cases of residential robbery in England and Wales - up 204 on the previous year and four times the level recorded in 2000/01.The number of street robberies at gunpoint increased from 1,311 in 2004/05 to 1,439 last year. The overall number of gun robberies - including those which took place outdoors or targeted shops, garages, post offices, banks and homes - was 4,120 compared with 3,674 in the previous 12 months. Handguns were the most commonly used firearm in robberies, reported in 2,888 cases." For more info, visit: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6370387,00.html (Source: The Guardian)


How you Brits cannot understand that gun control only empowers criminals and terrorists is beyond belief. The allah-pukes will take over - they like weaponry of all types, and don't care about gun control.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 05:23 pm
Just what the English people need... foreigners who want to tell them how to run their country.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 15 Feb, 2007 07:43 am
ebp - I don't care who ya' are, that last post of yours wuz funny!

Thanks for the belly laugh! Laughing
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 03:10 am
cjhsa wrote:
I think you mean "As an unarmed British subject....".


Maybe you should stick to thinking about your own country and its problems, instead of running your mouth about something which you clearly do not understand.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 06:19 am
And even more terrible:
Catholicism is to overtake Anglicanism as most practiced UK religion

Daily Telegraph
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 07:22 am
contrex wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I think you mean "As an unarmed British subject....".


Maybe you should stick to thinking about your own country and its problems, instead of running your mouth about something which you clearly do not understand.


Obviously you left Britain... for France! Got any slightly blemished (dropped) rifles for sale? Laughing
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 08:33 am
cjhsa wrote:
contrex wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I think you mean "As an unarmed British subject....".


Maybe you should stick to thinking about your own country and its problems, instead of running your mouth about something which you clearly do not understand.


Obviously you left Britain... for France! Got any slightly blemished (dropped) rifles for sale? Laughing


You really are dumb. I work for a ferry company that runs boats between Dover and Calais, a distance of 25 miles. I am based at the Calais end of the run. I have a house in Deal, Kent, and I use a company apartment here in Calais. Why do you post such stupid ignorant trash? Do you get a buzz out of it? It only makes you seem like a complete dummy. You do your great country a discredit, because unfortunately many people judge America by dumb a$$es like you.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 10:22 am
No, we Americans judge europeans by delusional socialists such as yourself that depend on government to protect you. Hate to break this to ya, they can't.

Would you like to call me some more names? Perhaps you can find some in my sources - both well known British media outlets BTW.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 10:40 am
Well, cjhsa, since you are so knowledgeable in British "media outlets", you certainly followed the discussion mentioned in the headline I posted above.

What do YOU think about Roman Catholicism becoming the largest religion in the UK?

Is it to fear now that the Codex Iuris Canonici will become common law in the UK?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 01:16 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:


What do YOU think about Roman Catholicism becoming the largest religion in the UK?



Too many people practicing the rhythm method.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 01:16 pm
I thought stringent gun controls PREVENTED stuff like this. Hmmmm....
And yet their only answer is to call for MORE gun control!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/15/nguns15.xml&DCMP=EMC-new_15022007


Third schoolboy shot dead within a fortnight
By Stephanie Condron, Martin Beckford and John Steele
Last Updated: 8:50am GMT 15/02/2007

Video: Another tragic victim
Police in crisis meeting after shootings
A 15-year-old schoolboy yesterday became the third teenager to be shot dead in south London within a fortnight.


A police van near the spot where the boy was shot


The latest shooting has led Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, to call for an urgent meeting of commanders and murder squad detectives.

Police were called to the teenager's home in Clapham, just after school closing time at around 3.40pm yesterday to find the boy fatally wounded. The boy, who is believed to have a white father and a Thai mother, was first found by a family member.

Last night Christina Piludu, 35, a neighbour, paid tribute to the dead schoolboy who she said was named "Billy".

"He was like a kid, he was like a baby. I'm disgusted and furious," she said. "His parents must have been proud of him. He was always playing on his bike and football. He was a very good kid."




The latest shooting in south London follows the murders of two other teenagers including James Smartt-Ford, 16, shot twice by a gunman at Streatham Ice Arena on Feb 3.

Three days later, 15-year-old Michael Dosunmu who was described as "easy going", was shot dead as he slept in his bedroom in Peckham.

His home was just yards from the spot where 10-year-old Damilola Taylor was stabbed to death with a broken bottle in 2000.

Last night, it was unclear exactly how the latest schoolboy to be murdered was killed and he had yet to be named.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Police were called to an address in Fenwick Place.

"A 15-year-old who was suffering from gunshot wounds was found and he has died."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/15/nguns115.xml&DCMP=EMC-new_15022007

Police in crisis meeting after shootings
By Stephanie Condron
Last Updated: 8:49am GMT 15/02/2007

Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, does not often call crisis meetings of murder squad detectives to discuss ways of solving a single crime.

But this morning he and some of his most experienced ?- and hard-pressed ?- officers will be asking themselves whether the latest murder of a teenager in south London is linked in any way to other recent killings in the area.

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While the Government and Scotland Yard have been keen to emphasise that gun crime is falling, the statistics of the past fortnight do little to reassure parents that their children are safe.

Javarie Crighton, 21, was fatally stabbed in Southampton Way in Peckham on Feb 3. A man has been charged with his murder.

James Smartt-Ford, 16, was murdered later that day. He was shot twice by a gunman at Streatham Ice Rink.

Michael Dosunmu, a 15-year-old boy described as "peace-loving" by his family, was shot several times in the early hours two days later, as he lay in his bed at his home in Peckham.

That killing prompted an "emergency" meeting attended by Chief Supt Malcolm Tillyer, the Southwark police commander, Harriet Harman MP and Helen Ball, commander of Operation Trident.

But their meeting could do nothing to stop the next schoolboy death ?- that yesterday of Billy Cox.

Sir Ian is aware of how crucial it is to find a way forward while so many recent murders remain unsolved. Commentators have referred to it as a "crisis" meeting but it might more aptly be called a "brainstorming" session.

Officers will be deciding which police squad will investigate Billy's murder. Although Billy was of mixed race ?- his father was white and his mother Thai ?- the Met has indicated that Operation Trident, which investigates "black-on-black" shootings, will probably investigate. The Met has said that is because he was the victim of a shooting but it also suggests that they believe his killer could be linked to other crimes being investigated by Operation Trident, which typically centre on drug-related violence.

"We would like to reassure the communities in South London that we are taking the current situation very seriously and are doing everything in our power to find those responsible," Scotland Yard said in a statement last night.

Lucy Cope, founder of the campaign group Mothers Against Guns, said: "It's ridiculous. We have to do something.

"How many more deaths is it going to take before someone says to Tony Blair or Ian Blair, 'We've had enough, let's do something about this?' "
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 01:32 pm
Besides that the latest news (re catholic becoming the largest relgion in the UK) proves your thread title being wrong, you're obviously now relating gang crime to Oslamic law.

You really are one of the most narrow minded people on this site, certainly the one with the shortest nose ... looking at how far you can see.

Have a look at the British Crime Survey (BCS) in the Recorded Crime Statistics before you state more nonsense about that.
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 02:10 pm
I wonder if cjhsa knows who dropped their rifles at the Kasserine Pass in May 1943? Probably not. Check it out, Mister Mouth.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 02:17 pm
contrex wrote:
I wonder if cjhsa knows who dropped their rifles at the Kasserine Pass in May 1943? Probably not. Check it out, Mister Mouth.


I know exactly what you are talking about. So? You can't win them all, you need to know when to reduce your losses and regroup for another day. I don't get your analogy.

The imams in GB are preaching to their flock to kill Brits, are imposing their law on your sovereign soil, and yet you don't seem to care. That part I cannot fathom.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 17 Feb, 2007 04:42 am
cjhsa wrote:

contrex wrote:

I wonder if cjhsa knows who dropped their rifles at the Kasserine Pass in May 1943? Probably not. Check it out, Mister Mouth.

I know exactly what you are talking about. So? You can't win them all, you need to know when to reduce your losses and regroup for another day. I don't get your analogy.


Well, you made a dumb joke about France and dropped rifles, as if you believe all that Fox News/blowhard surrender monkey crap, when the truth is that the French army was defeated on the battlefield in 1940, with over 100,000 dead, by the best trained and most modern army in the world. Many French servicemen and women either escaped from France, regrouped and took part in D-Day, or joined the Resistance.

American soldiers ran away at Kasserine. Slice it up how you like, and believe me I've seen it sliced a zillion ways by triumphalist Americans when confronted by this fact in a debate, they ran away.

There's your analogy.

It seems to me that you have a double standard. If it's your side, "Oh well, you can't win them all". If it's another nation, especially if they didn't support your criminal invasion of Iraq, based on lies, then you spew a lot of hate filled crap.

cjhsa wrote:
The imams in GB are preaching to their flock to kill Brits, are imposing their law on your sovereign soil, and yet you don't seem to care. That part I cannot fathom.


That's because you selectively read right wing crap from sources like the Daily Telegraph. "The" imams is false. "Some" imams is more like it. "A few" imams is even more like the truth. Several have already been prosecuted under laws brought in for the purpose.

Muslims and other religious groups sometimes use religious "courts" to settle issues around property, marriage disputes, religious matters, etc. The law of the land always overrules these if there is a conflict. This including Jews and Christians. I told you this but you ignored it.

You sound like a blowhard who just selects what you want to believe. Furthermore, you seem to want to tell us how to run our own country, when yours is very far from being a shining example.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 19 Feb, 2007 08:07 am
Soon we'll have to Invade jolly old England to save you sorry ---.
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contrex
 
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Reply Mon 19 Feb, 2007 10:16 am
cjhsa wrote:
Soon we'll have to Invade jolly old England to save you sorry ---.


Dream on. I'll enjoy preparing and detonating an IED with your name on it. We have nukes, you know, in fact we taught you guys how to make them during WW2. Goodbye Philadelphia, farewell Chicago...
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