I've asked myself this many a time...

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"If I could create the words this world needs to hear, then how could I convince you they were real?"

Something like that...I think.

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Well, if the idea is to convince others, a good starting point would be to concisely formulate the major precepts of your proposition, then work toward developing and expanding each of those precepts in clear, logical manner, with attention paid to likely potential objections and suitable counters to those objections.

An old, only partly tongue-in-cheek formula for effective persuasive exposition runs something along the lines of:

"Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, tell 'em how you're gonna tell it to 'em, tell 'em why you're telling 'em, tell 'em point-by-point what you wanna tell 'em, tell 'em again why you told it to to 'em, and finally tell 'em what it was you told 'em, what it means, and why it means that.

Then, be ready for questions."

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I'm not so great at wording this obviously.

You pretty much gave me the process of creating a good argument. Thanks though man Surprised

Maybe I was just trying to say "If I found some answers, would anyone believe me if I said they were those?

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I think Timberlandko's point was that if you can formulate your "answers" into a cogent argument, you'll improve the chances of people believing you.

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Re: I've asked myself this many a time...

acepilot wrote:

--I write and think in a phisophical way, so this place is perfect .--

"If I could create the words this world needs to hear, then how could I convince you they were real?"

Something like that...I think.

If this world was perfect you wouldn't have misspelled "philisophical".

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I can't decide whether you're a philosopher or a politician!

Politicians present their information the best way they can and spend inordinate effort trying to convince their electors that their objective(s) are right, proper, and good for Society. They are more concerned about how the public think about their ideas than the sensibility or truthfullness of the ideas themselves.

Philosophers conceive new ideas and play around with them until they think they have a new, truthful understanding of a concept.
It is up to the public to consider these ideas in light of their own thoughts and experience (knowledge) to weigh the pro's and cons and decide if they think you are stating the truth or a delusion (illusion).
I can guarantee that if you are a philosopher, one or more people will believe you, one or more will argue for 50 years against your proposition, and politicians will tax your ideas if they get half a chance!

Take the plunge and see the reaction I say!!!

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Hmm...

Sure sure, you can take fact or untrue and word in a way or tell it in a certain way to make anyone believe it. That's not the point though.

If I walking along, do do do do, and stumble over some truth. Without using fancy words or methods to convince you in every which way in the world this was truth, would you just recognize it to be truth right away like I did.

I guess when I say create, I mean discover. Like how nothing is invented, just discovered. (I know I've heard that somewhere, church or something?)

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acepilot wrote:

Without using fancy words or methods...

Before trying to communicate this truth to someone else, how do you arrive at the conclusion that what you stumbled across was truth, if not by some "method"? Presumably you have some criteria by which you judge something to be true; I don't imagine you take everything at face value. (At least I hope not.) Whatever those criteria are, that's what you have to use to convince other people.

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Shapeless wrote:

acepilot wrote:
If I walking along, do do do do, and stumble over some truth. Without using fancy words or methods to convince you in every which way in the world this was truth, would you just recognize it to be truth right away like I did.

Before trying to communicate this truth to someone else, how do you arrive at the conclusion that what you stumbled across was truth, if not by some "method"? Presumably you have some criteria by which you judge something to be true; I don't imagine you take everything at face value. (At least I hope not.) Whatever those criteria are, that's what you have to use to convince other people.

FANTASTIC! I knew someone was going to ask that lol.

Lets just pretend that there are very few truths in this world and once you find one, you know it to be truth. It's like a matter of if you're human.

You're saying like, it matters what kind of human you are.

No convincing, they can take it either way without me doing anything except opening their eyes.

So let's go have some fun and play pretend, wooo!

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acepilot wrote:

Lets just pretend that there are very few truths in this world and once you find one, you know it to be truth.

...No convincing, they can take it either way without me doing anything except opening their eyes.

It's an interesting thought experiment, but the notion of doing away with "convincing" is so far removed from the way I process information that I don't really have any useful input for you. Maybe someone else here can help you out...

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Re: I've asked myself this many a time...

acepilot wrote:

--I write and think in a phisophical way, so this place is perfect .--

"If I could create the words this world needs to hear, then how could I convince you they were real?"

Something like that...I think.

Remember that words r VEHICLES for concepts.

U can prove that the words r real,
by exemplifying them from a respected dictionary,
but the question of the merit
of the concepts that thay convay remains.

Historically, many passionately held filosofies
( e.g., communism n nazism ) have been disproven,
n found to be devoid of merit, regardless of the words
that were used to express them.

David

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Re: I've asked myself this many a time...
It's an interesting thought experiment, but the notion of doing away with "convincing" is so far removed from the way I process information that I don't really have any useful input for you[/quote]

That sentence is just so cool!

U can prove that the words r real,
by exemplifying them from a respected dictionary,
but the question of the merit
of the concepts that thay convay remains.

Historically, many passionately held filosofies
( e.g., communism n nazism ) have been disproven,
n found to be devoid of merit, regardless of the words
that were used to express them.

David[/quote]

Hmm...so maybe y'all are saying someone cannot be convinced without affecting their free will. Woah, maybe this belongs in Faith and Spiritual section then.

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