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FOLLOWING THE EUROPEAN UNION

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 07:38 am
Francis wrote:
Just a bet : France will NOT vote against EU constitution...


Interesting. My impression is the polls suggest a 5% or so margin between those against and for. I'll readily concede the media's interest in hyping the "story" here. French acceptance of the constitution would be a moderately interesting story, while their rejection of it, a rather sensational event. I read that Chirac is making a very serious effort to persuade, and, with these factors in mind, a closing of the gap as the election draws near is certainly indicated.

How confident are you of this prediction?
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au1929
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 07:41 am
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Armies of lobbyists assail Brussels
BRUSSELS When the European Commission decided a few years ago that a vegetable sauce with more than 20 percent lumps was not in fact a sauce but a vegetable, Peter Guilford's clients - big manufacturers such as Heinz and Unilever - suddenly discovered that their trendy new thick sauces qualified for as much as a twentyfold increase in tariffs when they shipped them into Europe..
According to the European Union, vegetables are farm goods, and so face the EU's notoriously high agriculture trade barriers..
"We let the press know," Guilford, 44, an amiable British lobbyist, said one recent afternoon in his elegant offices - bare wooden floors, glinting mirrors - on a cobbled street in the heart of Brussels..
Guilford calculated that the European public, or at least the anti-EU media, would be shocked at the silliness of such a rule..
The commission even stipulated the size of sieve holes that had to be used in the tests for lumpiness..
"The Economist got it, then the Press Association," said Guilford. "Before long, the British government was calling up the commission, saying just stop it. We didn't have to do anything else.".
Guilford's sauce war was only one of the lobbying skirmishes that regularly break out in Brussels these days..
As the EU's powers have extended ever deeper into companies' lives, so the interest of businesses in defending their causes on the legislative battlefield of Brussels has intensified..
In the ensuing melees, they enlist professional emissaries like Guilford and the thousands of lobbyists who now throng the emerging capital of the European Union..
The battles pitch companies against EU institutions, national governments, rival businesses and civil groups - Friends of the Earth, for example. They pit lobbyists against the media in a tussle for their clients' reputations..
"One of our jobs is to prevent background noise from damaging relations," said Tom Brookes, a lanky young lobbyist in Guilford's agency who is one of the guardians of Microsoft's tender reputation in Brussels. "It is about keeping people calm.".
The issues are legion. Today in Brussels, companies are lobbying the EU on its proposed services directive, its chemicals directive, its health claims directive, its animal byproducts directive, and hundreds of other regulations it tosses out each year..
There are powerful car manufacturers such as Volkswagen lobbying furiously, fearing that the EU will let mechanics use any generic spare part to fix their cars, and not VW's high-priced ones. There are some car companies arguing loudly for the EU to soften its car safety standards; others want the EU to tighten the rules because they think their vehicles are safer than their rivals' and sniff a competitive advantage..
There are technology companies such as Philips that want the EU to protect their inventions that use software. .
There are other companies, as well as protesters in the streets, shouting that this is going to spell the death of innovation..
There are supermarkets terrified that the EU will look too closely at their latest healthy food lines and discover that the food is not, well, healthy..
Guilford wages battles about EU tariffs for Chiquita, the American banana producer. His clients include Aviva, one of the world's biggest insurance companies, as well as the banking group UBS and Toyota..
In 2000, when Mars, one of Guilford's clients, bought Royal Canin Pet Foods of France, his job was to make sure the EU did not block the deal..
Last May, when Lee Scott, the chief executive of Wal-Mart, visited Brussels, Guilford squired him around the EU's glass-faced offices. He sat him down with three commissioners, the stars of Brussels' bureaucratic firmament..
"We wanted to explain Wal-Mart's position in case it ever wanted to buy more supermarkets in Europe," said Guilford, who was a reporter for the Times of London and worked as a press spokesman and trade negotiator inside the commission for 10 years before starting his company, GPlus, in 2000..
Wal-Mart is not alone in wanting to influence what the EU thinks..
According to Susan Danger, managing director of the American Chamber of Commerce to the EU, U.S. corporate interest in Brussels is increasing, "especially in the area of financial services." .
U.S. law used to be the global standard, she said, but now, for example, "90 percent of environmental legislation around the world actually stems from the EU. It is key that U.S. companies get involved in legislation here.".
According to Thomas Vinje, partner at the law firm Clifford Chance in Brussels, the first big Brussels lobbying battle "that raised lobbying to an American-style level" was back in the years 1989 to 1991 and involved IBM's fight to keep its proprietary technology to itself..
"That was really a battle royal," said Vinje. "It marked the coming of age of the European Parliament as an institution to be lobbied.".
That struggle had echoes in the fierce battle last year by Microsoft to avoid, among other things, sharing information about its operating system with rivals..
Current hostilities focus on the commission's initiative that is known as REACH, which stands for Registration, Evaluation, and Authorization of Chemicals. .
This innocuous-sounding directive could force manufacturers to send their products - from paint to Dell computers to Italian shoes to Barbie dolls - back to the lab, retest them, and disclose the chemicals they contain. The cost to industry could be €5 billion, or $6.45 billion, or more, according to varying estimates, and it has unleashed a frenzy of lobbying..
"There is a lot of activity happening on REACH," said Martin du Bois of Cambre Associates, another Brussels lobbyist..
Guilford sees his job as educating outsiders in European ways..
"If you are a businessman coming from America, you can't just assume Brussels operates in the same way" as Washington, he said. "You have to Europeanize them.".
This means telling foreign business executives that Europe's "brightest and best" are often in the public sector, and that social issues such as the environment and how you treat your work force are more important in Brussels..
"Most of what you have learned in Washington, leave it at home," he said..
Guilford and his 22 colleagues at GPlus, a mixture of ex-commission officials and others including veteran journalists from Le Monde and The Financial Times, say lobbying has chiefly been an Anglo-Saxon preoccupation: Most of the firms that traditionally used private lobbyists in Brussels were British or American..
German and French companies tended still to use their national governments to lobby the Brussels institutions. This is changing as more companies are privatized and leave the public sector..
But until more Europeans take up the lobbyists' services, much of Guilford's day appears to be spent talking to clients across North American time zones..
"I may have a client in the office in the morning, followed by lunch 'al desko,"' said Guilford. "In the afternoon, the American clients wake up. I have a conference call with Chiquita in Cincinnati, then an e-mail exchange with Wal-Mart in Arkansas, and in the evening the high-tech clients in Silicon Valley wake up.".
The pay is better than the salary he earned as a journalist. But, laments Guilford as he climbs the stairs in his townhouse office, it is still overshadowed by the other professions that carve up Brussels' burgeoning corporate market..
"It is a fraction of what the lawyers get, which in turn is a fraction of what the bankers get," he said..
In fact, the biggest challenge for lobbyists, according to Michael Tscherny, Guilford's colleague, "is convincing the lawyers, who have been the traditional gatekeepers to a company's business, that we can provide that extra service that they can't.".
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Francis
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 07:50 am
George - I'm very confident. Do you remember the margin you cite was, for months, the other way around before Socialists began to tear one another?
Then some government issues about reforming and the public opinion take the EU constitution as a scapegoat to that issues...
So when times becomes serene, public opinion will change.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 08:03 am
I agree with Francis.

And I think, only the British might reject.
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 08:52 am
Thanks, very interesting. I agree that opposition is more interesting and attractive with respect to the distant prospect, but as the moment of decision approaches different factors grow in importance.

I have the strong impression that, beneath the superficial manifestations, the French are, of all Europeans, the most like Americans , and the British the most unlike us, (Forgive the Amerocentric form of expression, but the alternative felt - unnatural to me). This may explain our enduring good relations with the UK, and our equally enduring friction with the French.

We and the French both see ourselves as unique and at the center of important movements in the world. We also implicitly believe and assume that others will (or should) speak as we do. There can't be two centers, just as there can't be two universal forms of expression. So we hate each other, while readily adapting to the different behaviors of our other associates.

With respect to the British, we created and defined ourselves as the improved alternative to British values and culture. We ended up with very similar legal systems and political philosophies, but very different values and culture.

Interesting too that we and the Franch also derive our central political philosophy from different versions of the 18th century enlightenment - ours was the British/Scottish version, rather than the more abstract French one.
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Francis
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:18 am
georgeob1 wrote:
So we hate each other...


Speaking for the French, I'm not sure of the intrinsical truth of your statement. I'm rather sure of the opposite. It's just the Americans "itch" and the media add to this pseudo-hatred.
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:20 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I agree with Francis.


I see the Franco-German alliance is intact

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And I think, only the British might reject.


Then Steve and McTag are not representative of majority British opinion?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:24 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Then Steve and McTag are not representative of majority British opinion?


I'm not sure about that - at least, one of them is a member of the majority party in the UK.
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:37 am
Francis wrote:


Speaking for the French, I'm not sure of the intrinsical truth of your statement. I'm rather sure of the opposite. It's just the Americans "itch" and the media add to this pseudo-hatred.


You are being kind. We did cooperate quite well with the French Naval forces in the Indian Ocean during the 1980s. When things got tense the British would send down an Admiral for a press conference (but no ships), and the French would send Clemenceau and a squadron of destroyers and cruisers (but no press conference). We did extensive operations together. I routinely refuelled from the French supply ship, Var, and very much enjoyed the aquaintances we made.

Sentimentality for France and the French was a common, familiar theme in American culture until a decade ago.

However things are quite different now. I hope it is just the media and a transient "itch", but I believe (unfortunately) it has become more than that. The stakes are high and the effects can be lasting. Let's hope that doesn't occur, and that the "itch' subsides.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 10:27 am
Even if Labour win the general election (announced today btw, just like I said), its going to be very difficult to get the EU constitution accepted. It would be a disaster for Blair if Britain alone were to reject it. That's why I think he's secretly hoping the French will scupper it first.

All the Murdoch press and the other American owned titles are pushing for rejection. Just as they don't want to see Britain join the euro. Murdoch in particular should be told to keep his nose out of the euro debate.

I believe the Americans want to keep Britain out of the euro. It would be the last major piece in the jigsaw and the dollar would come under even more pressure.

As for European/Atlantic affinity I have to say that I find the US increasingly "foreign", and Europe, well just another bit of Europe. [Maybe the language barrier between Brits and Americans has something to do with it Smile ]
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 10:45 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

All the Murdoch press and the other American owned titles are pushing for rejection. Just as they don't want to see Britain join the euro. Murdoch in particular should be told to keep his nose out of the euro debate.

Odd then that you and yours don't hesitate to comment on and attempt to influence the American internal political debate. Your favorite paper the Manchester Guardian even started an ill-conceived letter campaign in a direct attempt to influence our Presidential election.

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I believe the Americans want to keep Britain out of the euro. It would be the last major piece in the jigsaw and the dollar would come under even more pressure.
More of that fantasy. The outcome of that struggle, if indeed there is one, will be determined by the relative performance of the economies involved, not politics.

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As for European/Atlantic affinity I have to say that I find the US increasingly "foreign", and Europe, well just another bit of Europe. [Maybe the language barrier between Brits and Americans has something to do with it Smile ]


Q.E.D. see my post above)
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 10:58 am
Manchester Guardian eh?

When did you last buy a copy of that?

I think it was about 1970, no hang on I'll look it up

"The Guardian achieved national and international recognition under the editorship of CP Scott, who held the post for 57 years from 1872."

"...and moved to London in 1964".

Yes I remember they tried some sort of a spoof to get Americans to vote Kerry. They stopped it pretty rapidly whey they realised it was having the opposite effect, so you should appreciate their efforts.

Its no fantasy to suggest there is dollar euro rivalry. Further examples on the Iraq thread.
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 11:18 am
Shows you how little I follow the British press.

I believe their attempt to influence our election in Ohio was serious, and not a spoof. However you are correct, it did backfire on them.
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 11:47 am
I really don't wish for any rupture in the European Union. So far this unique experiment has exceeded reasonable expectations of what could be achieved. The EU has, on occasion, demonstrated a very wise (in my view) pragmatism with respect to the process of achieving consensus and agreement. That, and the elimination of historical rivalries are most encouraging and beneficial.

I do worry about what may arise as the EU assumes more and more of the aspects of sovereignty, and, as some posture it, as an alternative, in opposition to the United States. Will the emerging European superstate become a bureaucratic monolith? Will we be asked to deal simultaneously with individual "sovereign" states and, as well, with their "sovereign" collective entity? Will we find ourselves allied with the parts, but the enemy of the whole? Which of the various national forces in the EU will come to dominate it? Many questions here, and all difficult to answer.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 12:25 pm
Exactly those sorts of questions are asked in Europe. One US president said "When I call Europe, who do I ask for?"

The answer I think is the EU is unique and actually offers a positive role model for some other states. It is more than a free trade zone, and less than a super state. It is a collection of states which have pooled some of their sovereignty for the "greater good". There were some dreamers who wanted a fully fledged European State with individual countries reduced to regional variations, but that really is dead.

Subsidiarity was the word used a few years ago... decision making at the lowest practicable level. But it also implied that things that affected the EU as a whole were decided at a corresponding high level.

If that sounds messy well I guess it is. And if its difficult to know who does what...then that's just something we all will have to get used to.
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2005 12:56 pm
Perhaps true, but the consent of other nations must also accompany any pretense of simultaneous sovereignty by the union and its member states in bodies such as the UN, the WTO and others. The economy and population of California, for example, are both a good deal larger than those of Canada and the majority of European states. What is good for the goose ...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2005 02:24 am
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Dutch apathy deals another blow to EU poll

By Stephen Castle in Brussels
09 April 2005


With French opinion polls predicting a "no" vote in next month's referendum on the European constitution, "yes" campaigners in the Netherlands face a separate battle in their poll: against massive apathy.

Despite an official campaign launch this week of the Netherlands' first referendum for two centuries, the 480-page constitutional text has inspired almost no debate. Polling evidence is mixed but to the government's alarm, an Interview-NSS/Nova survey suggested 66 per cent of voters would stay at home instead of casting a ballot.

That research put backing for the treaty at 11 per cent, as opposed to 8 per cent for the "no", though another Maurice De Hond/NOS poll this week suggests that 30 per cent are in favour, 38 per cent against, and 32 per cent don't know.

The Netherlands which, like France, is a founder member of the EU, is due to go to the polls on 1 June, just three days after the French hold their plebiscite. Confronted by this apathy, the Dutch government admitted that it even considered a plan to abandon the referendum if the French say no, but rejected the idea.

In theory it would take just one country to refuse to ratify the treaty to kill off its prospects of becoming law, and many believe that a French no would render a Dutch poll irrelevant.

But calling off the referendum at such short notice would be technically impossible, particularly since the initiative to consult the voters was taken by the parliament, rather than ministers. However, the centre-right party of the Prime Minister, Jan-Peter Balkenende, has said that a minimum 30 per cent turnout is needed for the result to be considered valid.

Most politicians agree that supporters of the constitution, which include most of the big political parties, have proved slow off the mark in campaigning.

Lousewies van der Laan, deputy leader of the D66 social liberal party and a supporter of the constitution, said: "What worries me is that the government is doing nothing, the business community is doing nothing. Everybody is waiting for everybody else, which means there is no debate.The no campaign are getting a huge platform. They are well-organised and have lots of money, and the yes campaigners are lagging. Often if you can define the terms of a referendum, you tend to win it."

With the government's popularity waning, it has been cautious about public campaigning, fearing that it could provoke a protest vote from those disgruntled with the government's performance.

Ministers are on the defensive on a series of issues, including the sluggish pace of economic growth, spending cuts, immigration and Turkey's bid to join the EU.

Once one of the most dependably pro-integrationist countries in Europe, the Netherlands has become notably more sceptical. Political allegiances have also proved volatile after the murder of the anti-immigration campaigner Pim Fortuyn, and the more recent assassination of the filmmaker Theo van Gogh. A prominent populist and anti-immigration campaigner, Geert Wilders, plans to campaign against the constitution.
Source
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nimh
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2005 04:10 am
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Lousewies van der Laan, deputy leader of the D66 social liberal party and a supporter of the constitution, said: "What worries me is that the government is doing nothing, the business community is doing nothing. Everybody is waiting for everybody else, which means there is no debate.The no campaign are getting a huge platform. They are well-organised and have lots of money, and the yes campaigners are lagging. Often if you can define the terms of a referendum, you tend to win it."

I know that the Green Left (which is in favour) for one isn't undertaking any campaign activities until early May. Whereas the Socialists (who are against) are already having daily campaign activities.

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With the government's popularity waning, it has been cautious about public campaigning, fearing that it could provoke a protest vote from those disgruntled with the government's performance.

Hmm. They might have a point: note that the Socialists' website headlines "Why Balkenende is in favour, and [Socialist leader] Marijnissen is against". Never mind that Labour and the Greens are in favour too - the attempt to make it into a vote about/against the government is clear.

On the other hand, scepticism about Europe is particularly great among the supporters of the rightwing-liberal VVD, who are reluctant about immigration, Turkey and bureaucracy - they're not just going to spontaneously turn out in favour en masse without a little prodding from their own leaders (who are in favour).
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2005 04:30 am
Is the UK using Euro's?
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nimh
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2005 04:31 am
No.
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