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FOLLOWING THE EUROPEAN UNION

 
 
Lash
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:24 pm
CI-- In the same segment, the reporters interviewed several citizens of Turkey, who were extremely excited about the prospects of joining the EU. When pressed for exactly why they were excited, one didn't know, the others said they expected to get wealthy...

So many other European countries seem to be quite against Turkey's admission.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:29 pm
Lash wrote:
So many other European countries seem to be quite against Turkey's admission.


Most, if not all, governments - strongest here: Germany and the UK - are pro-Turkey.
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Francis
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:33 pm
while majority of people are against, french governement is pro-Turkey. Chirac repeated that yesterday.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:34 pm
Quote:
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - European Union leaders agreed on Thursday to offer Turkey a date of Oct. 3, 2033 to start negotiations on its membership of the bloc, a diplomat said.


Separately, Italian Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini told reporters after the first round of summit talks in Brussels that the leaders had agreed Ankara would be offered talks in the second half of 2005.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:35 pm
Don't know, if 2033 is correct
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:36 pm
Should be 2005, I suppose
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australia
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:38 pm
Lash, no sane person wants turkey in the EU. They are a disgrace of a country.
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Lash
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:39 pm
I was about to say--!!! What an insult.

Must be a typo.

It was sorta funny.

"Yes, we''ll have serious talks with Turkey about admission into the EU...in 2033..."
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timberlandko
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:42 pm
This seems to be the way its playin' in Turkey right now:

Quote:
Turkish Press: EU inches towards historic decison on Turkey

12-16-2004, 20h58

BRUSSELS (AFP) - EU leaders were locked in closed-door negotiations over Turkey's bid to join the European bloc, inching towards a landmark accord to start membership talks with Ankara late next year.

European Union chiefs were in particular pressing Ankara to recognize Cyprus, a key sticking point in the way of a deal to give the vast Muslim country a green light after more than four decades of waiting.

In a fresh sign of hopes for a breakthrough, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan forecast that a compromise would be found by the end of the two-day summit Friday.

But he notably dismissed one report that Turkey could recognize Cyprus at the moment it starts EU negotiations.

"This is not true, it's all rumours, all of this will become clear once ... the text is finalised," he told reporters in Brussels, as EU leaders haggled over dinner.

"We will never take a step that does not fit in with our national interests," he added.

The EU leaders are widely expected to agree a date to start talks, probably in the second half of 2005. One diplomat said they would start in mid-October, but the EU's Dutch presidency said it could not confirm it.

At the start of the summit European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso said it was "time for Europe to say 'yes' to Turkey ... but it's also time for Turkey to 'yes' to Europe."

But the country's detractors, led by Austria, have maintained their doubts over the 25-nation bloc's ability to absorb a huge, impoverished country with one foot in Asia.

Taking in Turkey, a vast predominantly Muslim nation, would stretch the EU from the rainy shores of western Ireland to the borders of Iraq and Syria and necessitate a redefinition of the very concept of Europe.

Barroso was clear: "Our vision for Turkey is clear: we are not looking for some kind of half-way house or mid-way deal," he said. "If we should start negotiations with Turkey, it should be with full European membership in mind."

The most pro-Turkey EU states -- including Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain -- argue that it is a strategic priority as a bridge to the Muslim world.

But a hard core of sceptics including Austria, Cyprus and Denmark say that Turkey, a country of nearly 71 million people, is simply too big, too different and too poor to join.

They have called for Ankara to be offered a "privileged partnership" as an alternative to full EU membership, should negotiations fail.

The Cyprus issue has become one of the biggest stumbling blocks to Turkey's hopes of seeing its four-decade drive to be embraced into the European fold reach fruition.

Although Cyprus joined the EU in May, Turkey still refuses to recognise its government, recognising instead only the Turkish Cypriot northern third of the divided island.

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana bluntly warned Ankara what was at stake.

"If you want to be part of a family you have to recognize all the members of the family .... without that it's difficult to be part of the family," he told reporters.

A little later Erdogan, speaking soon after talks with Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency, suggested a deal was at hand.

"It will be resolved at one" o'clock, Erdogan told reporters in an apparent reference to the scheduled end of the summit Friday.

While agreeing a date for the start of talks, the European leaders were also to hammer out a series of conditions attached to Turkey's EU bid that would be unprecedented for a membership candidate.

The negotiations will last for at least 10 years, they could be suspended in case of serious problems, and membership is not ultimately guaranteed, draft summit conclusions say.

A spokesman for British Prime Minister Tony Blair voiced cautious optimism as the evening wore on.

"We are travelling in hope, but not in certainty," he told reporters. "We believe a deal for the start of negotiations next year is achievable, but we don't know whether it will be achieved at this stage."
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Francis
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:43 pm
2033 is a mistake since Turkey begins negociations with EU next year.
This negociations will be, at least, ten years long.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:44 pm
Thanks, timber, but the reuters news is now confirmed by several more agencies.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:45 pm
Quote:
CORRECTED: EU Offers Turkey Oct '05 Date to Start Entry Talks
Thu Dec 16, 2004 04:34 PM ET
Laughing
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australia
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:49 pm
Reasons against turkey joining the EU

1) Their human rights record is abysmal. Look at cyprus as an example

2)They are a third world **** hole. They have no economic stability whatsoever.

3)They are not even part of Europe. Only Istanbul touches Europe, the rest of it is in asia and africa.

4)With no borders, it would be a haven for terrorsits to flow into normal european countries.
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Lash
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:51 pm
Aussie-- I could be wrong, but I'm getting a vibe that you don't like Muslims...

Francis-- Would you mind going over to Acronyms, and highlighting a word? Thank you.

Poll setback for Turkey EU entry
By John Thornhill
Published: December 14 2004 02:00 | Last updated: December 14 2004 02:00

Two-thirds of French voters and 55 per cent of Germans are opposed to Turkey's entry into the European Union, according to an opinion poll published in Le Figaro newspaper yesterday. The three most common reasons for opposition are concerns about human rights; the extent of the religious and cultural differences; and the status of women. John Thornhill, Paris

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I guess it's a majority of the citizens who are against Turkey's admission.
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timberlandko
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:52 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Thanks, timber, but the reuters news is now confirmed by several more agencies.


Oh, I know .... just thought it'd be interestin' to see what was the latest on Turkey's own semi-official billboard.
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Lash
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 03:59 pm
<hee hee>

Just thought about how quickly and efficiently Europe handles their affairs.

It will take 10 to 15 years to 'negotiate' their admission.

TEN TO FIFTEEN YEARS!!

Viva La France!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 04:00 pm
Some different EU-news:

Quote:
Lithuania Says Ready To Join EU Rapid Reaction Force
Source
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Francis
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 04:15 pm
Lash wrote :
It will take 10 to 15 years to 'negotiate' their admission

A big work was done before hand. First agreement between EU and Turkey was made in 1963.

The time reamining is for Turkey to meet EU standards.
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timberlandko
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 04:21 pm
Got a real suspicion the "Ten Year" thing ain't gonna fly. Like Turkey or not, Turkey ain't goin' away .... and she ain't likely to take real well to bein' jerked around. For all her detractors, Turkey has a couple real burly freinds - and a couple neighbors most folks would prefer Turkey didn't flirt with.
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Lash
 
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Thu 16 Dec, 2004 04:28 pm
O.M.G.

You mean this has been going on for 41 years?

<too much...LOL!!>

Turkey hasn't gotten tired of waiting on queue for FORTY ONE YEARS???

The EU is like a big tease.

(Oh, damn. I see Timber beat me to it.)
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