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FOLLOWING THE EUROPEAN UNION

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 04:11 am
Blair is slippery.

But then politics is a dirty game. And Blair is the most politically astute player on the field.

You cant blame the Brits for smashing the EU. The French and the Dutch did that. Chirac's attitude is pretty contemptible, I dont recall him getting aerated over the British rebate before the French people told him what he could do with his constitution, and somehow I feel it wouldn't be an issue now if they had voted oui and ya.

Its a bit like -having dropped the vase on the tiled floor - pointing out a blemish in the quality of the glaze.
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nimh
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 04:12 am
Good article, Walter, thanks.

Yesterday I'd already wanted to link these in:

Blair says rebate is "anomaly", must go

A story that's got much the same as Walter's, plus:
Quote:
Poland, the biggest of the poor east European newcomers that stand to lose most from a budget delay, announced an initiative to try to salvage a deal, saying it would use a meeting with the French, German and British foreign ministers on June 27 to press for an early deal.


And: Blair tries to win over EU states

Quote:
Key points• Blair tries to appease annoyed Euro states• UK blamed for causing problems at EU Summit by new EU members• But plans for UK's budget payments will meet criticism from opposition at home

[..] Story in full BRITAIN should pay more towards the European Union's budget, Tony Blair said yesterday, trying to soothe eastern European states who blame him for capsizing last week's EU summit.

New EU members have turned on the Prime Minister, accusing him of vetoing a budget deal and costing them millions in European aid.

[..] British officials fear that the anger of the "new" Europeans could undermine the UK presidency of the EU which begins next month, so Mr Blair yesterday risked Tory attacks by telling the House of Commons that he would like to reform the budget to take more money from countries such as Britain.

[..] The new EU countries have often supported Britain in Europe. Winning back their confidence will be a key aim of the British presidency, Mr Blair said. "We've got to be explaining to them that our opposition to the deal is not opposition to enlargement."
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nimh
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 04:15 am
And then there was this ...

Quote:
Berlusconi rubs salt in Finnish wound at food body

PARMA, Italy (Reuters) - Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi repeated one of his most famous diplomatic gaffes on Tuesday by insulting the cuisine of Finland which Italy beat to host the new European Food Safety Authority.

"I've been to Finland and I had to endure the Finnish diet so I am in a position to make a comparison," Berlusconi told local dignitaries ahead of the inauguration of the EFSA in the northern Italian town of Parma.

The 68-year-old media tycoon also said he had used his masculine charm to persuade Finland's president, Tarja Halonen, to give up her country's claim to host the European Union agency.

"I had to use all my playboy tactics, even if they have not been used for some time," said Berlusconi.

At the opening ceremony later in the day, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso would have the chance to sample Parma's famous smoked ham, Berlusconi said, and see for himself that it was better than traditional Finnish food.

"Barroso today will be able to taste our 'culatello' as opposed to smoked herrings from Finland," he said to laughter from the audience.

Italy fought hard to host the EU agency and Berlusconi reportedly told a summit of European leaders in December 2001: "Parma is synonymous with good cuisine. The Finns don't even know what prosciutto is."

The line has become one of the most memorable of Berlusconi's long list of indiscretions.

[..] During a photograph with other EU leaders in Spain in February 2002, Berlusconi raised two fingers behind the head of the then Spanish Foreign Minister Josep Pique, in the traditional Latin gesture for a cuckold.
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 06:14 am
Interesting dialogue here. I agree that Blair is an accomplished politician and very likely has a good strategy planned for all of this. However I do find it odd that he is accepting the UK rebate as an issue without simultaneously insisting on a reexamination of the agricultural subsidy from which France benefits so much. This particularly intrigues me given that, even with the rebate, the British are, per capita, much greater donors to EU income redistribution than are the French. Perhaps Blair is attempting to win early support from the new EU members, even at the cost of increased Tory opposition at home (a storm which he can easily weather) - all to corner the French later on.

Interesting to note that Steve now acknowledges he shares my contempt for the duplicitous actions and policies of the French government Poor Schroeder, who will likely depart the political scene, has at least made a serious attempt to reform Germany's over-regulated labor market. Chirac, on the contrary loftily proclaims that - in France at least - black is white, and the French can continue their social and economic policies, undisturbed by economic reality.

The more I read of Silvio Berlusconi, the more I like him.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 06:34 am
"Interesting to note that Steve now acknowledges he shares my contempt for the duplicitous actions and policies of the French government "

not in all things. Chirac commanded the high moral ground over the Iraq war Wink
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 06:47 am
I assume the wink meant you don't believe it either. The only thing Chirac ever commanded is the graft from the political machine of the city of Paris - a fact that compels him to do what it takes to stay in office, protected by the immunity it grants.

He wouldn't recognize high moral ground if he stumbled on it by accident.
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nimh
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 06:54 am
I've stumbled over the moral high ground once. I've tried getting on it ever since, but I keep slipping off.
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 06:55 am
nimh wrote:
I've stumbled over the moral high ground once. I've tried getting on it ever since, but I keep slipping off.


Very Happy Very Happy Me too!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 08:47 am
Just an aside:

the agricultural subsidy from which (not only) France benefits so much, were one of the reasons creating the European Economy Community:
the EEC subsidized Europe's agricultural sector, claiming that Europe, in the course of the 20th century twice experienced severe famine and that securing the ability to feed itself was of strategic importance. Subsidies for agriculture consumed c. 70 % of the EEC revenue, countries such as FRANCE and the NETHERLANDS, the latter the "Garden of Europe", being the main beneficiaries, while Germany became the most significant net contributor to the EEC budget.

Well, and since the UK agriculture was of less importance (= no real value of getting to power or staying there) ... ... ...
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 09:02 am
Walter,

The famines in Europe were the direct result of wars started by Europeans and between them. They were not at all the result of any external (to Europe) action or threat. This is a rather specious rationalization.

Moreover these are the same arguments offered everywhere to justify protectionist economic and trade policies, whether involving agriculture, minerals, or manufactured products.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 09:23 am
I don't doubt that, George.

But this doesn't change the facts, though. :wink:
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Thomas
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 09:37 am
georgeob1 wrote:
The famines in Europe were the direct result of wars started by Europeans and between them. They were not at all the result of any external (to Europe) action or threat. This is a rather specious rationalization.

Moreover these are the same arguments offered everywhere to justify protectionist economic and trade policies, whether involving agriculture, minerals, or manufactured products.

One thing that annoys me is that the protectors of the European farm policy never have to defend themselves on principle. They are upholding an anachronism from the feudalistic age, an anachronism of the big agrobusinesses for the big agrobusinesses by the big agrobusinesses. Nevertheless, they never have to answer the perfectly appropriate charge that they want this peddling of feudalism to remain the main occupation of the EU. The same people chastize Tony Blair that "his vision of Europe as just a free trade, free migration zone is simply not enough". And Tony Blair takes them seriously enough to bother denying that this is his vision of Europe.

I ought to know better, but this annoys me.
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HofT
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 10:42 am
Thomas - not quite accurate: the defenders of the CAP do defend themselves on principle, this being not the irrational "20th century European famines could come back" argument proposed by Walter, but rather a self-defense argument against similarly massive subsidies by the US (sugar, rice, corn) Australia (fruit) and other trading blocs.

Speaking of Australia, it's wonderful to see a (presumed) agricultural economics expert of that nation posting in support of this thread
http://www.able2know.com/forums/about8728-0-asc-2080.html
even though the real winners in that part of the world are the New Zealanders, who liberalized everything years ago (fan of the late Robert Muldoon here btw hoping for input by any ANZ posters who actually have even a remote clue on the subjectof this thread).

Being only intermittently able to post due to firewall I would like to thank the Australian poster for the sudden interest in the EU!

As to Blair's forthcoming EU presidency and Africa in particular:
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"Tony Blair is focusing closer to home, on the Common Agricultural Policy, an integral part of the original European project. He is doing this partly to divert attention from the UK's indefensible budget rebate, and partly to kick an enemy when he's down - Jacques Chirac after the double No vote on the constitution. This is opportunism, in true Brit style, but that does not mean the Prime Minister is wrong (just as the French president is not wrong to attack the rebate, even if his motives are equally artful). The CAP was born in the postwar years, when food aplenty in Europe was not a given. Its aims were to guarantee supplies and subsistence levels for farmers and to slow down flight to the cities.

It is now an abhorrence, not because it disproportionately helps agriculture in France as distinct from other EU members (what would our politicians be saying if we were the main beneficiaries?) but because of its effects on the rest of the world. As Bob Geldof never ceases to point out, every cow in the European Union receives more money than the daily income of the average African.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/hunger/economy/2005/0620farmsubsidies.htm
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As to the argument that agriculture was the basis of today's EU - maybe so, and only if Coal and Steel are edible Smile
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Thomas
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 10:53 am
HofT wrote:
Thomas - not quite accurate: the defenders of the CAP do defend themselves on principle, this being not the irrational "20th century European famines could come back" argument proposed by Walter, but rather a self-defense argument against similarly massive subsidies by the US (sugar, rice, corn) Australia (fruit) and other trading blocs.

If you Americans want to pay for my lunch by subsidizing your exports to us, by all means go ahead! Who except big European agrobusinesses could possibly have something against it?

HofT wrote:
As Bob Geldof never ceases to point out, every cow in the European Union receives more money than the daily income of the average African.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/hunger/economy/2005/0620farmsubsidies.htm

As an enlightened continent, we have to set our priorities about who is more deserving.
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HofT
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 11:08 am
Beg pardon, Thomas, the quote by Geldorf was clearly marked as such - not my own words; personally I think Africa is a lost cause.
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 01:39 pm
I will agree the U.S. protection of selected agriculture markets (Sugar & corn) (Helen are you sure about rice?) is both expensive and wasteful. Sugar production in particular is harmful environmentally where it is grown (north of the Everglades in Florida) and adds nothing much to a world market that already has a surplus of that commodity. The corn subsidy is absurd, in that we can produce corn quite competitively without it.

We would do African nations more good by encouraging the production for export of agricultural commodities rather than sending them governmental cash and loans which end up in the pockets of kleptocrats.

Europe in particular continues policies that defeat economic growth in Africa and then congratulates itself on the grants and aid they give in partial compensation for the harm they have done.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 02:34 pm
Quote:

The EU's Agricultural Dilemma


While German farmers protest against dumping prices for their products during their current annual meeting, others call for a reduction of EU agricultural subsidies that make up the largest part of the bloc's budget.

Brussels currently spends more than 45 billion euros ($54.1 billion) on agriculture with the biggest chunk reserved for subsidies that go to the union's 11 million farmers.

"The EU spends two euros a day per cow," Britain's new minister for European affairs, Douglas Alexander, recently summed up the situation.

These subsidies were one of the main reasons why negotiations over the EU budget failed at the June 16 -17 summit, plunging the 25-nation body into its worst crisis so far.

France especially opposed a reduction as Britain was unwilling to give up a decade-old rebate is receives as the country does not profit as much from the agricultural subsidies as other states. It means that the union will continue to spend 10 times more money on agriculture than it does on education and research.

Two billion for olive oil

The list of the EU's support for agriculture includes financial help for investments, funds for young farmers and payments to farmers who go into early retirement. The bloc subsidizes new farms in areas where few exist and supports efforts to improve the processing and marketing of agricultural products.

One important segment is the funding of specific products. A German farmer receives money for exporting eggs while a Spanish winegrower gets EU euros for his work. Grain subsidies make up the biggest portion with 11 billion euros while two billion euros are spent on aiding the production of olive oil.

In 2003, the distribution of aid changed profoundly as EU leaders did away with a system that remunerated farmers according to the amount they produced.

"This was meant to get farmers to adjust their production levels to market demands," said Monika Hartmann of the Institute for Agricultural Policies in Bonn.

Now, special requirements can be attached to payments.

"Cross-compliance makes it possible to check that farmers adhere to fertilization and labeling rules," said Udo Hemmerling, an expert on economic policies at the German Farmers' Association.

Some checks are in place

Farmers meanwhile are not in direct contact with Brussels at any time. Subsidies are distributed by local governments -- in Germany, that responsibility lies with the 16 states.

All member states also have control systems in place to prevent abuse. According to Hemmerling, agencies check 5 percent of farms each year. He added that as a result of the checks, reclaims can amount to hundreds of millions of euros in some member states.

A global problem

The reason why only few politicians are willing to criticize the subsidies has to do with national interests. While France heads the lists of subsidy backers, Germany's agriculture also could not survive without the help. In bad years, German farmers barely manage to make enough money to cover their costs -- a problem that's largely caused by price dumping in recent years.

International comparisons show that few countries can manage without agricultural subsidies. Switzerland, Japan and the US all protect their own farmers, making it even harder to scale back subsidies.

That's why researchers and farmer representatives see a multilateral approach as the only way to change things in the long run.
Daniel Wortmann (win)
Source
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JustWonders
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 05:11 pm
Handsome plumber calls French tourists to Paris

And, yes, there is a photo Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 22 Jun, 2005 06:46 pm
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2005 01:08 am
Quote:
Juncker plays the blame game as Blair prepares for EU presidency

By Stephen Castle in Brussels and John Lichfield in Paris
23 June 2005


Tony Blair is being portrayed as the architect of Europe's latest political crisis as he prepares to launch a British EU presidency which is in deep trouble even before it starts.

Ahead of his appearance in the European Parliament this morning, Mr Blair came under direct attack from the French President, Jacques Chirac, and from Jean-Claude Juncker, the Prime Minister of Luxembourg, who chaired last week's acrimonious Brussels summit.

Meanwhile, Jose Manuel Barroso, the European Commission president, called for a public debate on Turkey's ambitions to join the EU - one of the priorities for the British presidency which starts on 1 July.

Brussels is still in shock after last week's bitter summit clash in which a small group of countries, led by Britain, blocked a deal over the EU budget for 2007-13.

Yesterday Mr Juncker received two ovations from MEPs as he gave a blow-by-blow account of how Britain refused to surrender part of its annual budget rebate. Mr Juncker suggested that his plans to reform the rebate were deliberately misrepresented by a British premier determined not to compromise.

The main proposal rejected by the UK would have exempted the costs of spending in the new EU countries - apart from agriculture - from the scope of the rebate. That would have made it worth €5.5bn (£3.7bn) annually - considerably more than now.

"It is not true to say that the [Luxembourg] presidency wanted to kill the British rebate," said Mr Juncker, "we wanted to maintain it in the context of the 15 [countries which made up the EU before it enlarged last year]. We wanted this rebate to show greater solidarity to the new member states. It was wrong to reject this."

Mr Juncker said pointedly that he was explaining to MEPs, "because no one else will and because you're likely to hear other explanations in the near future" - a direct reference to Mr Blair's speech today.

And the Luxembourg premier referred to an offer by former Communist countries to sacrifice some of their subsidies in the interests of a deal. These countries, he said "were giving us a lesson in ambition. I think this is a good reason for those not able to speak the same language to be ashamed of what they did."

Speaking at the weekly cabinet meeting in Paris, M. Chirac argued that almost all governments, including France, had "done everything possible" to agree on an EU budget framework up to 2013. "Unfortunately this was not possible, because of British intransigence," he said.

M. Chirac once again rejected the UK argument that the Common Agricultural Policy must be radically reformed before the British EU rebate can be abolished or reduced. The CAP had been extensively reformed only three years ago, M. Chirac said.

After a meeting of the EU Commission, Mr Barroso questioned the policy of negotiating Turkey's EU entry. "We should discuss the signal that was sent by the electorate regarding Turkey," he said, though he added that plans to start talks on 3 October should continue.

The investigative newspaper Le Canard Enchainéreported that M. Chirac had come back from Brussels describing Mr Blair as "like Thatcher only worse - as arrogant as she was but even more selfish".

Diplomatic sources in Paris suggest, however, that M. Chirac was content with the summit. The row had distracted attention from the French "no" to the constitution and disrupted Mr Blair's hopes of introducing a British path to EU reform in the next six months.

Source


I agree - especiall re the last paragraphe.

And I wonder, if he really will say - like Gordon Brown - that the EU the EU must reform or die.
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