a quick question for mindonfire

Well we can scrap the second one, because, being omnipotent, there is no more intelligent being.

Hey, maybe we can scrap the first one too. Because she's omnipotent when she tells a lie the universe rearranges itself to make it truth.

Or are we playing that old thought game - could God make a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it?

God can't lie?

Nonsense.

1 Kings 22:22, 23
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Jeremiah 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.

I find this next one interesting. God sends a lie to test the people to see if they are good or bad. When I read this I am reminded of a conversation I had with a Seven Day Adventist about evolution. She said the fossils of dinosaurs were put in the earth by God to test the faith of the people. If you believed in the Bible as Gods word and literal truth then you would see the fossils as false. If not you would deny the written word, believe in evolution and be condemned to hell for eternity.

2 Thessalonians 2:11,12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

that's just what hebrews says. and hingehead, if there is no being more inteligent than god, thats why he can't do it.

Re: a quick question for mindonfire
And how is that inconsistent with omnipotence?

1-…. ?''the breaking of a promise, lying, falsehood, and deception are the ugliest of qualities, besides being defects and faults''…

Being Omnipotent is different from them so called omnipotent… Lie is expression about poverty, omnipotent is clearly different.

2-….God is different from creations.. ( SO LYING -TO LIE- IS ONLY OUR VERB AS OTHER SINS WHICH WAS CREATED BY GOD FOR SOME GOOD RESULTS.. )

…..''The degrees of existence are different. And the worlds of existence are all different. Because they are all different, a particle from a level of existence which is deeply rooted in existence is as great as a mountain from a level of existence that is less substantial than its level; it contains the mountain.

For example, the faculty of memory, which is the size of a mustard-seed in a head from the Manifest World, takes on an existence the size of a library from the World of Meaning. And a mirror the size of a fingernail from the external world encompasses a mighty city from the level of the World of Similitudes.

If the memory and the mirror from the external world had possessed consciousness and creative power, they would have been able to bring about endless transformations and activity in the Worlds of Meaning and Similitudes through the power of their minute existences in the external world.

That is to say, when existence is firmly established, power increases; what is only a little becomes like much. Especially after existence has attained to complete stability, if it is disengaged and detached from materiality and is not restricted, then only a partial manifestation of it will be able to transform many worlds of other less substantial levels of existence.

Thus, And God's is the highest similitude, the Glorious Maker of the universe is Necessarily Existent.

That is, His existence is essential, it is pre-eternal, it is post-eternal, its non-existence is impossible, its cessation is impossible; it is the most firmly rooted, the most sound, the strongest, and the most perfect of the levels of existence.

In relation to His existence, the other levels of existence are like extremely pale shadows.''…. LETTERS BSN




3-…..He is really OMNIPOTENT One.

......''A decisive and self-evident proof that everything is equal in relation to Divine power is this:

we see with our own eyes in the creation of animals and plants the highest degree of mastery and exquisiteness of art within an infinite multiplicity and liberality;

and the greatest distinction and differentiation within the utmost confusion and intermingling;

and the highest worth as regards art and the most supreme beauty as regards creation within the greatest abundance and profusion.

While needing much equipment and much time, they are created with the utmost ease and speed with the greatest art.

Simply, those miracles of art come into existence suddenly and out of nothing.

Thus, by observing this activity of power every season on the face of the earth, we see that it establishes irrefutably that the greatest thing is as easy as the smallest in relation to the power that is the source of those actions, and that the creation and administration of innumerable individuals is as easy as the creation and administration of a single individual.''......... BSN LETTERS

xingu demonstrates that when god said he could not lie, he was lying. So in that contect, you can scrap number one....it's a lie.

but surely if god is omnipotent then he can do anything. for example god can commit suicide, he can paint a ball so that it is white all over and black all over at the same time, etc. but the bible says he can't lie or ask advice of a being more intelligent than god. so if god cannot do those 2 things, he cannot do everything, so how can he be omnipotent.

if god can lie, then he is sinning, why would god sin? why would we follow a god that does what he tells us not to do?

You mean kill innocent children, slaughter a whole tribe except for the young virgins so they may be given to God's soldiers?

Good question, why do Christians follow a God who behaves in a manner we would find unacceptable in humans?

Re: a quick question for mindonfire


Well for starters God cannot lie because everything he says exists. It may not exist in your current dimension but it exists nonetheless.

 
om·nip·o·tent (ŏm-nĭp'ə-tənt)
adj.

Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful.


Who says God is omnipotent?

God exists outside of the universe and time and does not meddle in the affairs of the universe.

It is only those who fall under the spell of the Bible who, because of man's need for a supreme father figure, place God within the universe in an active manner.