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Swedish human rights worker viciously attacked

 
 
Reply Sun 19 Nov, 2006 08:00 pm
Did you hear about this in the news?




http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/img/photos/ism/bloodied-face-sm.jpg


A 19-year old Swedish human rights worker had her cheekbone broken by an Israeli settler in Hebron today. Tove Johansson from Stockholm walked through the Tel Rumeida checkpoint with a small group of human rights workers to accompany Palestinian schoolchildren to their homes. They were confronted by about 100 settlers in small groups, who started chanting in Hebrew "We killed Jesus, we'll kill you too!", a refrain the settlers had been repeating to internationals in Tel Rumeida all day.

After about thirty seconds of waiting, a small group of very aggressive settler men surrounded the international volunteers and began spitting at them, so much so that the internationals described it like "rain." Then settler men from the back of the crowd began jumping up and spitting, while others kicked the volunteers from the back of the crowd and from the side. The soldiers who were standing just a few feet behind the internationals at the checkpoint just looked on as the internationals were being attacked.

One settler then hit Tove on the left side of her face with an empty bottle, breaking it on her face and leaving her with a broken cheekbone. She immediately fell to the ground and the group of settlers who were watching began to clap, cheer, and chant. The soldiers, who had only watched until this point, then came forward and motioned at the settlers, in a way which the internationals described as "ok… that's enough guys…."

The settlers, however, were allowed to stay in the area and continued watching and clapping as internationals tried to stop the flow of blood from the woman's face. Some settlers who were coming down the hill even tried to take photos of themselves next to her bleeding face, giving the camera a "thumbs-up" sign.

At this point, an international was taken into a police van and asked to identify who had attacked the group. The international did this, pointing out three settlers who the police took into their police vehicles. However, the settlers were all driven to different areas of the neighborhood and released nearly immediately. When one settler was released on Shuhada Street, the settler crowd that was still celebrating the woman's injuries applauded and cheered.

A settler medic came to the scene about 15 minutes after the attack and immediately began interrogating the internationals who had been attacked, about why they were in Hebron. He refused to help the bleeding woman lying on the street in any way .

Five minutes after the settler medic arrived, the army medic arrived and began treating the injured woman. When she was later put on a stretcher, the crowd of settlers again clapped and cheered.

Police officers at the scene then immediately began threatening to arrest the remaining internationals if they did not immediately leave the area, though they had also just been attacked.

The injured woman was taken to Kiryat Arba settlement and then to Hadassah Ein Keren hospital in Jerusalem.

Internationals were later told by the police that the police had not even taken the names of the settlers who were identified as having attacked the internationals and that one of the main assailants had simply told the police that he was due at the airport in two hours to fly back to France.

Earlier in the day at least 5 Palestinians, including a 3-year old child, were injured by settlers, who rampaged through Tel Rumeida hurling stones and bottles at local residents. Palestinian schoolchildren on their way home were also attacked. The IDF, which was intensively deployed in the area, did not intervene to stop the settlers.

For more details and photos contact:

Tove - 0547479225
ISM media office 02 2971824 or 059943157

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=687
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 19 Nov, 2006 08:36 pm
No...until I looked, and found the same story, here:


http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/11/18/hebron-day-06/

But Finkelstein (from whose website Steve's article is taken) is an interesting fella.

Wikipedia on him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein


Salon.com review of one of his books:




ARTICLE CONTINUES HERE


And excerpts from some letters to the editor responses to that article:


Norman Finkelstein demands that the Holocaust be treated as a "rational subject of inquiry," as if the slaughter of millions of Jews and other innocents -- a slaughter conceived and carried out with terrifying efficiency and obvious relish by a purportedly civilized nation -- is itself somehow "rational."






Finkelstein's point of view is so grossly distorted as to encourage a trip to Psych 101 in an attempt to discern his possible motives.........
-- David J. Hogan


(NOTE: I am editor-in-chief of "The Holocaust Chronicle," a not-for-profit book published by Chicago-based Publications International, Ltd.)

As an Orthodox Jew I am horrified by the fact that a man from a Jewish family could actually help lend credence to the claims of Holocaust deniers throughout the world. While I cannot deny the fact that there may be a few individuals who have taken advantage of the "generosity" of the German government, I cannot believe that after going through the hell of the Holocaust, most survivors do not deserve what is rightfully theirs. .....

..............Finkelstein has only aided anti-Semites across the globe in their quest for total denial in what was one of the worst tragedies ever to take place in modern history.

-- Stuart Pollak

Both Salon and Finkelstein might be interested to know that he has a predecessor who, among other things, delineated the principles of Holocaust literature and Holocaust studies,........ but he did manage to include a little research.

-- Laura Maschal

I enjoyed the interview, and will buy the book. I've been to Auschwitz, saw "Schindler's List," read and liked Irving's biography of Goering but do not agree with his denial of the Holocaust, read Hitler's "Willing Executioners" (and believe that the argument that all Germans are culpable is without foundation in the historical record).......


While there is a uniqueness to the Holocaust, and it is important to preserve the memory of that horrible time, I am also deeply troubled by those who are "cashing in" on that memory. I wasn't aware that mainstream Jewish groups had siphoned reparations in the '50s or that Polish peasants would be adversely affected by present day claims. I am reserving judgment until I read the book, and read the inevitable replies.

-- Charles Bird


Letters





INTERVIEW WITH FINKELSTEIN


DIFFERENT INTERVIEW


Documents on Finkelstein




But the situation where the woman was attacked sounds very nasty.
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 11:36 am
The fact that he is a professor of political science, jewish, son of holocaust survivors , invalidates his opinions? Gosh! I never thought of it like that.

Can you imagine this man has the nerve to express an opinion without the green light from AIPAC, I mean if the chimp in the white house has to ok breaking wind from AIPAC, who the heck is he?

Another interesting 'observation' the thread has nothing to do with Finkelstein, but I guess you knew that? Being troll, funny how the best Israeli threads attacked the biggest trolls,

Why dont you cut to the chase and demand we stop expressing a view.
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 12:08 pm
Getting back on topic, I wonder what the frenzied mob wanted to do to the school children the swedish woman was escorting?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 03:24 pm
stevewonder wrote:
The fact that he is a professor of political science, jewish, son of holocaust survivors , invalidates his opinions? Gosh! I never thought of it like that.

Can you imagine this man has the nerve to express an opinion without the green light from AIPAC, I mean if the chimp in the white house has to ok breaking wind from AIPAC, who the heck is he?

Another interesting 'observation' the thread has nothing to do with Finkelstein, but I guess you knew that? Being troll, funny how the best Israeli threads attacked the biggest trolls,

Why dont you cut to the chase and demand we stop expressing a view.



Huh?

Man, you are being an idiot.


What interesting assumptions.


None of which happen to be correct.

Mostly I would be assumed to be on the Palestinian side by rightwing nuts...so at least it's refreshing to be accused of the opposite by you...I do try to be balanced and reasonable. I assume being savaged by both sides reflects some success in this.





Actually, what interested me was that the story pretty much WASN'T published elsewhere (an interest which I thought was reflected in your thread lead in) and so I did some homework on who this man is, and got more interested as I looked.


As the son of holocaust survivors his challenges to thinking about Israeli policy and so on struck me as being fascinating and worth exploring and I have been doing just that, and thought others might be interested.

It is a very interesting debate he creates.


Oh, and not being American, I had no idea who AIPAC was until I just looked it up.


Anyhoo, do stick your head back up your arse, it's obviously more fun up there for you than elsewhere.

Of course, you MIGHT consider asking people what their intentions were before indulging in such a silly tirade in future.
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 04:06 pm
Jesus, you know this item (the one originally posted) reminds me of a quote I heard in a movie tonight - this mother is trying to convince her son that a man is a "good" person and he says to her - "You know you think everyone is good. The truth is that noone is." His character was fifteen years old. I thought to myself, "How sad" that that's what he believes at his age. But then you read stuff like this- what people will do and say to each other-and even admit about themselves with what seems like pride to subvert the rights and will of others- and what he said seems so true.

What the hell is going on? I don't think anyone can dissect who's more at fault or who's committed more atrocities than anyone else in this conflict anymore. And the behavior here is no better or worse than the behavior of any other member of a religion or nation who has come to believe that their way is the only way and the only thing that matters anymore.

I can understand why, after escaping Europe and surviving the holocaust, Jews were maybe not so eager to announce their religious and cultural heritage in America or anywhere else, and were more interested in "integrating fully into American life than about harping on a dreadful historical episode that would set them apart both as an ethnic group ouside the mainstream and, worse, as victims." It's never easy to be a member of a minority group in the US, as was illustrated by the treatment of blacks, native americans, and any other minority or "outsider" group throughout the history of America. Maybe Jewish Americans thought that if America could segregate and treat so many other "less desireable" populations so callously, what's to say they wouldn't eventually turn on them? I mean it's not like anti-semitism didn't and doesn't exist in America, and around the world.

I don't think it's coincidental that it wasn't until after the civil rights movement in America that Jews felt more able to openly embrace their heritage. I also don't think it's a coincidence that Jews were very active in the civil rights movement in America- they needed to believe that a minority population could be accepted as equal and enjoy equal rights. Because having been shown graphically that being what you were might result in persecution, psychologically, I can understand the reluctance to announce it, until they believed, without a doubt that it was safe to do so. I'm sure when US policy made a "pronounced tilt toward Israel" they may have finally felt that it was safe to trust in their safety and acceptance on American soil.

I don't view the American interest in the holocaust "industry" as cynically as Finkelstein. I think that it started out, at least, to be about people telling the truth about what happened to their families and honoring their ancestors. But I do agree with him that it's hard to trust that anything is ever done honestly and with good intentions anymore. It very well may have fallen into corruption - doesn't it seem like most things do?

This is just shameful - as human beings- forget the nationality or religion, because **** like this is reenacted all over the world. No country or society is exempt and that's just depressing and shameful.
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Sun 26 Nov, 2006 04:05 pm
Do you know what the definiton bull sh*t is? It is when Israelis or the government kill people........women and children and then someone comes along and says 'Well we dont know who is to blame, they are both just as bad. why dont they just give peace a chance'

Its a clever ploy to make the issue vague so the actual truth of Israel being a insane fascist state does not come out by trying to appropriate blame on both the stateless, oppressed, starved, humilated, and tortured Palestinians with the great whore Israel that recieves Billions of dollars a year and all the extras that go with it.

Which dumbwit would suggest they are on an equal footing.

Israeli is an aparthied fascist state funded by our tax dollars without our consent and permission, while tens of thousands of Americans live on the streets and have no access to basic health care.

This is the reality, wether Fox news likes it or not.
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 27 Nov, 2006 07:16 am
stevewonder wrote:
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Do you know what the definiton bull sh*t is?
I have my own interpretation. I don't think it's the same as yours though.
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It is when Israelis or the government kill people........women and children

I'd define that as inhumanity.
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and then someone comes along and says 'Well we dont know who is to blame, they are both just as bad.

I said, I don't know anymore who's to blame. I'm sure a lot of people think they know who to blame. You obviously think you do.
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why dont they just give peace a chance'

Why is that any less viable than the alternative- which we've seen isn't very effective for either side? Are you advocating they keep bombing and blowing themselves up until the whole region is desecrated and unfit for either Israeli or Palestinian habitation? Those few who may be left alive anyway...

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Its a clever ploy to make the issue vague so the actual truth of Israel being a insane fascist state does not come out by trying to appropriate blame on both the stateless, oppressed, starved, humilated, and tortured Palestinians with the great whore Israel that recieves Billions of dollars a year and all the extras that go with it.

It wasn't a ploy. I was stating an opinion or observation that was personal to me. I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything.
Your opinion seems to be different. I wouldn't call it "bullshit" - maybe "biased" - but I'm sure you have your reasons- and as I have no way of knowing what they might be - I can't comment beyond the fact that you're expressing an opinion, which is your right.

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Which dumbwit would suggest they are on an equal footing.
Did anyone say anything about equal footing? I don't recall reading that phrase at all in this exchange.

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Israeli is an aparthied fascist state

It saddens me to say that it's starting to look as if its government has decided to function in that way. I can't disagree with you there.
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funded by our tax dollars without our consent and permission, while tens of thousands of Americans live on the streets and have no access to basic health care.

Again, I'm in agreement, and think it's shameful and indicative of our governement's skewed priorities. But it's certainly not the only situation in which this is true. Homelessness and health care seem to take a back seat to almost every other funding initiative.

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This is the reality, wether Fox news likes it or not.

You seem pretty sure about that, so I'll take your word for it that that's what you believe to be true or "the reality".
(By the way - I think fox news is a joke - and presents as biased as you do. If you weren't pro-Palistinean - I'd have thought you might have found a job commentating for Fox news. I think they'd recognize and appreciate your delivery).
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