Swimpy wrote:Courting is just being nice. You can do that, I'm sure.
If only! Being nice comes naturally to me, and like elsewhere it's helped me get a few friends and another few people who dont really know me but think I'm nice. But thats about all just being nice appears to bring you here.
Courting is a wholly different thing again (here), apparently.
Depressing moment of the day (this is vaguely related): There's this guy, he works in a cafe or two, you see him a lot. He's
really cool, I think - he seems nice, kind, witty, gentle, imaginative, laid-back. If I were a woman I'd take him in an instant - definitely the most charming guy Ive seen here. He's very un-Hungarian: he's sort of slight and thin, really easy-going, outgoing in an un way. In general, common average talking, Hungarian guys tend to be either on the macho side, or the polite, sturdy, and not a little boring kind.
We were talking about him last night and my best friend, Hungarian woman, said: I dont understand what [our common friend] sees in him, I could never go for him. He's very nice but .. (me: but what?) .. but he's not a
real man. Thud. If even
she thinks that way, damn.
I admit its a half-full / half-empty thing, as there is indeed this common friend who has by now apparently fallen in love (or infatuation) with him, and she's a smart, kind and very beautiful woman. But again - I did my little bit helping them along, because after the first time they had danced together and gotten this kind of vibe, I was asking her about him and she actually then also said: yes, he's very kind, and he's witty, but I could never be with a boy like that.. (me: why not?) .. well, he's.. he's
nice .. and soft and and, he's
thin, and - he's not a
man. (This from a psychologist, thirty or so - not talking some 20-year old supermarket worker or something.)
OK, so by going "Noo-ooh!" and pointing out all the guy's good qualities, I may have done my tiny bit in bringing her around (heh) - she later jokingly said it was my fault she'd fallen for him after all. They're on a serious flirt now (end result unknown as of yet). But it just kinda shows what a guy like me (yes, I had a stake in matchmaking here, because this guy is
like me, so if he can make it with her, thats good news for me too ;-)) is up against, basically. Thats a huge hurdle of an instinctive negative reaction to get over, the whole "not a real man" thing, thats just not there in anything like the same way in Holland, Germany, etc - not among, you know, educated white women anyway.
Ggrrr.. my mother-the-feminist is to blame for more than she would have known.. :wink: