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Wed 23 Aug, 2006 06:28 pm
A co-worker (who is a born again Christian) and I were having lunch when she mentioned that when Muslims pray they "curse all other religions." She said she heard this from her friend. I admittedly know very little about Islam but I knew this to be untrue. I'm curious though, what exactly is said during those prayers? I understand it's supposed to be done in Arabic but if someone has a rough English translation that they could share I'd appreciate it. I can educate myself and my co-worker at the same time. Thanks in advance.
Isnt it something like, "Ali the one true god and Muhamid is his final prophet". I used to know the whole thing. Anywho i dont think they curse anyother religion.
Does it matter? It's implicit in every religion that demands fidelity that all other religions are cursed, no?
If I answer that, it will undoubtedly derail this thread. Call it a matter of curiosity if that helps any.
Well being here in Afghanastan I could ask one of the Afghani fellows I sometimes work with.
I have to say though that several of them have over the last year said they would pray for me for different reasons.
one time was when I had the flu.
I'm pretty sure they pray for many of the same things that christians do
(i.e. get well soon, please give the americans the wisdom to become muslims, please help me provide for my family, etc.) When they are finished with the things they are required to say.
Hey guys,
The answer is actually very simple. When we muslims pray 5 times a day, what we say or recite is the Holy Qur'an in arabic. Like when we are standing up, we are reciting different parts of the Qur'an. EVERY muslim MUST recite surah fatiha or Chapter 1 (the openng) when they stand up. Then they have to recite another chapter or parts of a chapter. There are a total of 114 chapters in the Qur'an. After they recite a second chapter or part of a chapter, they bow down and prostrate saying things like "Allah/God is above all". When the muslim is sitting on the ground, they also recite things in arabic but i am pretty sure that is not Qur'an. Rather it is more of supplication type. And when we are done praying, we turn our heads to the right and left each time saying "may peace be upon you" to whomever is on our right and left. Everyting in the prayer has to be in arabic.
For those who have difficulties with the language and pronounciation, well they arent alone. I have very bad pronounciation and i know that, but I still have to try. Its definitely a stuggle but you give it your all. And we should always make dua (supplication) to God for Him to make it easy on us.
Acutally i was kind of laughing when i heard some of your comments. Especially the one where we curse out other religions. This is so untrue. This is another reason why so many people memorized the Qur'an in arabic to its entirety. Because we have to recite it for every prayer.
I hope this helped clear up things.
Here is a link on how muslims pray:
http://muttaqun.com/salah.html
So, the born-again coworker was wrong about a religion they don't believe in. I wouldn't have expected anything less from a born-again.
Still, wouldn't that mean the closest you get to cursing other religions during prayer is any part of the Quran that talks about false religions?
So how does mouthing the same words over and over stack up against Jesus' words at Matthew 6:7?
"But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words."
(Catholics feel free to join in here.)
Deqr Allah
Please help me win the lottery, get that promotion, let me get home and get the camel parked without getting a DWI and I'll never get drunk again, forgive me for f*cking my secretary..... the usual stuff Id bet.
As usual, Bear has brought things into clear perspective.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:Deqr Allah
Please help me win the lottery, get that promotion, let me get home and get the camel parked without getting a DWI and I'll never get drunk again, forgive me for f*cking my secretary..... the usual stuff Id bet.
Replace camel with GT Mustang and I think I might just be a Muslim!
Seriously though, thanks to Qkid and xguy for the help.
[al-hamdulillah] is one of the most important word used when one Muslim pray. There r many words (perhaps 600 words) in our daily life because of we need them. Let's look to briefest meaning of this word
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..For example, "All praise be to God" [al-hamdulillah] is a Qur'anic phrase. Its briefest meaning, required by the rules of grammar and rhetoric, is this: "Each individual instance of all the sorts of praise that has been offered by whatever to whatever since pre-eternity and will be offered to post-eternity is particular to and due to the Necessarily Existent One alone, Who is named Allah." It is as follows: "Each individual instance of all the sorts of praise" is the consequence of the definite article "al" in "al-hamd." As for the qualification of "that has been offered by whatever," since "praise" (hamd) is the verbal noun and the active participle has been omitted, it expresses generality in that sense. And by omitting the passive participle it again expresses universality and generality, and therefore expresses the qualification "to whatever." As for the qualification of "from pre-eternity to post-eternity," it expresses this meaning because the rule of transposing from a verbal clause to a noun clause indicates continuity. The prepositional "lam" in "lillah" [to God], expresses the meaning of sole possession and worthiness. As for the qualification of "the Necessarily Existent One, Who is named Allah," since necessary existence is the necessary requisite of the Godhead and a term signifying the All-Glorious Essence; comprising all the Divine Names and attributes and being the Greatest Name, the Name of "Allah" necessarily indicates both the necessaary existence and the title of "Necessarily Existent One
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So this word contains a lot of spiritual meaning and repetition is so normal.. And we use ?''yes'' hundreds of time in a day but every ?''yes'' word has an different conjunctions..
Other word is (al-tahiyyatu lillah)
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Salutations to God" (al-tahiyyatu lillah). Briefly, its meaning is this: for example, a master craftsman invents a wonderful machine with his profound knowledge and miraculous intelligence, and everyone who sees it applauds and congratulates the craftsman, and praising and saluting him, offers him gifts both material and immaterial. The machine too, by displaying the craftsman's wondrously subtle art, and skill and knowledge, and working perfectly in exactly the way he wanted, aapplauds him through the tongue of its being, in effect greeting him and offering him immaterial gifts. In exactly the same way, all the species of living beings in the universe, together with all their individual members, are in every respect miraculous, wonderful machines, which ?-like conscious beings, men, and jinn and angels, applaud and salute their Maker verbally?- through the tongues of their beings and lives applaud and salute their craftsman, the All-Glorious Maker, Who makes Himself known through the profound and subtle manifestations of His all-comprehending knowledge, which sees the relationship of everything with everything else, and knows all the things necessary for the life of each and conveys them to it at the right time. Greeting Him, the beings declare: "Salutations to God!" They worshipfully offer the price of their lives directly to their Creator, Who knows all creatures together with all their states. On the night of the Ascension, in the name of all living creatures, Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) said "Salutations to God!" instead of the greeting of peace in the presence of the Necessarily Existent One, and offered the salutations, gifts, and greetings of all those species of living beings.
Yes, just as with its order and balance, an ordinary regular machine undoubtedly shows a painstaking, skilful craftsman; so each of the numberless living machines which fill the universe displays a thousand and one miracles of knowledge. Whatever the comparison between the light of the sun and the feeble glow of the fire-fly, that is the comparison of the former and the brilliance with which, through the manifestations of knowledge, the living beings testify to the necessary existence of their eternal Maker and Craftsman, and His fitness to be worshipped
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