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Does the bible contradict itself?

 
 
Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 04:13 pm
The bible cannot contradict itself can it? what about the theory of the doctrine of the trinity? If this theory is correct, then the bible therefore does contradict itself. It says in three different sections of the Bible this about baptism. You must baptize yourself in NONE other than the name of the father and in NONE other than the name of the holy ghost and in NONE other than the name of the son. If you were to beilieve in the trinity, how would you be able to baptize yourself in all three but also none other than each one. Therefore, there cannot be more than one God. Or any that can sit equal to them. If any sat equal to Him, why then would he have the authority to give the commandment to baptize thyself in only His name?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 04:20 pm
baseballchick, First of all WELCOME TO A2K. If you're really interested in seeking "contradictions in the bible," try this link.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 06:33 pm
Re: Does the bible contradict itself?
baseballchic wrote:
Does the bible contradict itself?

Does this painting contradict itself?
http://www.join2day.net/abc/P/picasso/picasso31.JPG

The painting and the bible are analogous because each are social artworks designed to elicit impressions from the viewer. They are both a hodgepodge of somewhat recognizable fragments of meaning, never intended to produce an absolute vision.
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baseballchic
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 08:23 pm
Both very good replies. Both really made me think about what was being said. Still in the first place if there is a trinity. how can all three spirits sit equally and it still be noted that there is only one God?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 09:21 pm
Re: Does the bible contradict itself?
(For some reason my previous image doesn't seem to load all the time, so I'm reposting again with a different image source)

rosborne979 wrote:
baseballchic wrote:
Does the bible contradict itself?

Does this painting contradict itself?
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5997/picasso31ov8.jpg

The painting and the bible are analogous because each are social artworks designed to elicit impressions from the viewer. They are both a hodgepodge of somewhat recognizable fragments of meaning, never intended to produce an absolute vision.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 10:41 pm
baseballchic wrote:
Both very good replies. Both really made me think about what was being said. Still in the first place if there is a trinity. how can all three spirits sit equally and it still be noted that there is only one God?


1x1x1=1
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 10:44 pm
real can show that 1x1x1=1, but he can't figure out how to explain this 4.5 billion year old earth.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 10:56 pm
Quote:
THE PARADOX OF THE FAINT YOUNG SUN

From the study of many stars of many different types, astrophysicists have established a model for the evolution of a typical star. All stars are born, live for a period of time, and then die. The details depend strongly on the initial mass of the star, but the energy output from every star varies throughout its life.

As first pointed out by Sagan and Mullen (1972), when this model is applied to the Sun, a paradox appears to result.

Astrophysicists are in general agreement that as star like the Sun ages, the fusion processes at its core gradually intensify. Looking backwards, this means that around 4 billion years ago, the Sun was only about 75% as bright as it is today.

This in turn means that Earth should have been completely covered with ice for most of its history. The paradox arises from the fact that all geological evidence shows that there was plenty of liquid water as far back as about 4 billion years ago.

How does one resolve the seeming discrepancy between the astrophysical evidence supporting evolution (warming) of the Sun over time with the geological evidence that Earth from its earliest days has always had liquid water present on the surface?
from http://www.esse.ou.edu/fund_concepts/Fundamental_Concepts5/The_Paradox_of_the_Faint_Young_Sun.html
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Treya
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 08:25 am
Re: Does the bible contradict itself?
baseballchic wrote:
The bible cannot contradict itself can it? what about the theory of the doctrine of the trinity? If this theory is correct, then the bible therefore does contradict itself. It says in three different sections of the Bible this about baptism. You must baptize yourself in NONE other than the name of the father and in NONE other than the name of the holy ghost and in NONE other than the name of the son. If you were to beilieve in the trinity, how would you be able to baptize yourself in all three but also none other than each one. Therefore, there cannot be more than one God. Or any that can sit equal to them. If any sat equal to Him, why then would he have the authority to give the commandment to baptize thyself in only His name?


Welcome to A2K baseballchic. Smile Of course the bible can appear to contradict itself. Just like anything else in life. I'm still trying to sort through all that myself... I don't talk much about the trinity because I'm not quite sure I understand the concept from my own thinking. I know what I've been "taught", so to speak, but I have learned that being "taught" something isn't necessarily a guarantee that you are being given the "right" answer. Shocked Basically you are getting someone elses "theory" on the subject. Anyway, I would be interested in seeing the scriptures you are talking about here if you wouldn't mind posting them that is. Smile
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 09:00 am
Unless, we ourselves, can replicate the scientific theories... we are also, as you said ~ "Basically you are getting someone elses "theory" on the subject"
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 09:59 am
Intrepid wrote:
Unless, we ourselves, can replicate the scientific theories... we are also, as you said ~ "Basically you are getting someone elses "theory" on the subject"


This is a naive and ignorant view of how scientific theory functions. Either the theories of sciences, or the "laws" which are derived from the study of theories of science, are predictive. One can, therefore, determine if the predictive portion of a scientific theorem applies, and come to a reasonable conclusion without replication of the research or the testing.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 10:30 am
Funny that we keep reading about the need for replication in science. Oh, well. Some post based on the poster rather than what is posted. THAT is indeed replicated and, therefore, must be science.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 10:39 am
It is not based on the poster. Keep your paranoid conceit to yourself. It was based on your contention, which was specious. You wrote:

Unless, we ourselves, can replicate the scientific theories... we are also, as you said ~ "Basically you are getting someone elses "theory" on the subject"[/quote]

Research scientists do indeed need to be able to replicate a process and arrive at the same results in order to confirm and to further study aspects of a scientific theory. This does not mean that all people who lend credence to scientific research are obliged to replicate, or otherwise be consigned to the blind faith adherence to belief which characterizes the religionists.

For example, a theory of evolution predicts that organisms will constantly adapt to environmental changes, due to a process of natural selection. Therefore, when my physician tells me (as he has in the past) that he prefers that i don't use antibiotics in the course of a treatment unless it proves absolutely necessary, because research shows that biogens are becoming antibiotic resistant, that is a confirmation of the predictive portions of a theory of evolution. I needn't "replicate" any experiment, both because the predictive portion of the theory is confirmed by the research of others, and because the biomass itself is the laboratory in which evolution plays out.

The religionist, on the other hand, needs continually to re-interpret the contents of scripture in the futile attempt to make documents written thousands of years ago by ignorant and superstitious men relevant.

So that you will understand, when you write something which is naive and ignorant, and someone says: "That's naive and ignorant," that is an attack on your idea as expressed, it is not a personal comment on you.

I don't know you, personally, and so can't comment. I repeat, i don't know you . . . thank god.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 10:41 am
Thank who? Has the great Setanta made an admission to thanking God for something? I think I feel a tear coming on.
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Treya
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 10:49 am
Setanta Wrote:
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The religionist, on the other hand, needs continually to re-interpret the contents of scripture in the futile attempt to make documents written thousands of years ago by ignorant and superstitious men relevant.


HEY!!! I resemble that statement... LOL
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 10:53 am
No, Miss Eppie, you don't . . . a good deal of my regard for you derives from your clear-sighted efforts to reconcile what you believe to reality.
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Treya
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 10:56 am
Thank you very much Setanta. *smiles*
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