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If there is no free will, how can we be judged for our sins?

 
 
real life
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2006 09:43 pm
Doktor S wrote:
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Of course, when we make decisions we consider many different things depending upon what we are deciding about. But, those are factors, considerations, things to consider in order to make what we feel is the right and best choice.

Have you considered the possibility that the 'you' making these decisions is naught but a byproduct of 'your' environment and experience? If that was so, as seems to be the case, wouldn't 'your' decisions be naught but the a step in the chain of causality?
Perhaps, as fresco is quick to point out..it is not just freewill that is the illusion, but also the self that perceives it.


If there is no free will and everything we are and do is just a series of chemical reactions, then your thoughts are also just the expression of chemicals interacting.

Thus your conclusions are no more likely to be right than anybody else's.

So when you dogmatically assert your belief in the 'illusion of freewill' , by your own definition, you didn't choose this position because it made sense but because your chemically driven brain forced you to.

Your arguing 'for' this position based on 'reason' or 'logic' or 'evidence' is also a sham because you can't help but do so, even if it is dead wrong.

Sort of a lemming view on reality , isn't it DS?
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2006 09:29 am
Yeah, what you said, real life. That wasn't so hard, was it?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2006 06:08 pm
real life wrote:

Sort of a lemming view on reality , isn't it DS?

I'll take one sour truth over 10 sugar coated fairytales any day.
That's the difference between you and I, rl. You believe the thiings you do because you want them to be true. You create your justifications afterwards.
Me, I just observe, and try to see what IS true, I really don't care if the truth is pleasant or not.
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2006 06:40 pm
''If the one speaking of Divine Determining and the power of choice has perfect belief and is aware of the Divine presence, he attributes the universe and himself to Almighty God, knowing them to be under His disposal. He has the right to speak of them. For since he knows himself and everything to be from Almighty God, he assumes the responsibility, basing it on his power of choice. He accepts that it is the source of evils and proclaims his Sustainer free of fault. He remains within the sphere of worship and undertakes the obligations with which he is charged by Almighty God. Moreover, he does not become proud at his good deeds and achievements; he rather looks to Divine Determining and offers thanks. He sees Divine Determining in the calamities that befall him, and endures them in patience.

However, if the one speaking of Divine Determining and the power of choice is one of the heedless and neglectful, then he has no right to speak of them. For, impelled by his misguidance, his evil-commanding soul attributes the universe to causes and divides up God's property among them. And he attributes the ownership of himself to himself. He ascribes his acts to himself and to causes. His responsibility and faults, he refers to Divine Determining. He will finally ascribe the power of choice to Almighty God, and he will consider Divine Determining last of all; thus discussion of them becomes meaningless. To discuss them is only a trick of the soul which is entirely contrary to the wisdom in them, in order to save such a person from responsibility.'' 26.word BSN
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