Guantanamo suicides confirmed

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Note: I don't know if the courts have ruled that we can keep the detainees indefinitely, but I do know that international law is pretty clear on the fact that captured enemy soldiers can be detained until the end of th[quotee war, no matter how long that takes.

I know we haven't followed all the rules on how they are to be treated, but I don't think we are breaking any rules simply by keeping them locked up.

You are breaking all the rules of decency, it is patently obvious to me that you are one of those Americans that believe emphatically in their own fiction, "The land of the free and the home of the brave;" that's fiction from what I can see; your brave soldiers are murdering innocent women and children, your government is spying on its own citizens it certainly doesn't appear to me as the land of the free and the home of the brave you people would be better served if you acknowledged your government's faults and tried to win back the respect you have lost around the world.

In Britain the Second World War started when Germany invaded Poland in 1939 as for the US aiding the war effort prior to joining the fray in 1942, I agree they did and we had to pay for it, however many brave American Merchant seamen lost their life sailing ships to the shores of war torn Britain but the US government got rich with their Lend Lease Programme Britain and her allies were still repaying the US up into the late 50's financially we owe you nothing to those seamen we owe our gratitude.

At the end of the war the world economy was in dire straits and the US had to come up with a plan to get it moving, they needed to make more money and so was born the Marshall Plan. America would lend foreign governments up to a billion dollars on condition that the bulk of the loan was spent buying American goods America got rich on the back of the Second World War I lived through it, however I still respected and admired the United States of America until George Bush junior took over the presidency and destroyed the morals and reputation of a once proud nation I hope I will live to see the America I once admired return from the desert of iniquity back into the fold of decency and democracy do you understand the democratic principle, from the way you are defending the barbaric treatment of those wretched prisoners at Guantanamo I don't believe you do?

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anton wrote:

.. many brave American Merchant seamen lost their life sailing ships to the shores of war torn Britain but the US government got rich with their Lend Lease Programme Britain and her allies were still repaying the US up into the late 50's financially we owe you nothing to those seamen we owe our gratitude...

It was much later than the 1950s when Britain was repaying war debts to the US...until the early years of THIS CENTURY I believe.

I share your sadness Anton at loss of America that country we admired. Lets hope we will again.

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

anton wrote:
.. many brave American Merchant seamen lost their life sailing ships to the shores of war torn Britain but the US government got rich with their Lend Lease Programme Britain and her allies were still repaying the US up into the late 50's financially we owe you nothing to those seamen we owe our gratitude...
It was much later than the 1950s when Britain was repaying war debts to the US...until the early years of THIS CENTURY I believe.

I share your sadness Anton at loss of America that country we admired. Lets hope we will again.

The UK made the last payment on the WWII debt this past December.

You still owe us for WWI, but from all indications, have no plans to repay that debt.

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As far as British sources say, on 31 December, the UK will make the last payment - about $83m (£45.5m).

[On May 3rd, 2006, the British Treasury Minister, Ivan Lewis in a reply in the House of Parliament said "Repayment of the war loans to the US Government is expected to be completed on December 31 2006."]

In 1934, Britain owed the US $4.4bn of World War I debt (about £866m at 1934 exchange rates). Adjusted by the Retail Price Index, a typical measure of inflation, £866m would equate to £40bn now, and if adjusted by the growth of GDP, to about £225bn.

sources: BBC, figures and quttations checked at UK.Gov websites.

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Interesting development.:

Last Update: Wednesday, June 14, 2006. 10:06am (AEST)

US suspends Guantanamo military trials

The US Defence Department has suspended all military trials for "war on terror" suspects at the Guantanamo prison camp, where three detainees committed suicide over the weekend.

The decision came as the US Supreme Court was expected to rule imminently on the military tribunals' legality.

"All sessions in all cases currently referred to trial by Military Commissions are stayed until further notice," the Pentagon said in a statement posted on Monday but dated Saturday - the day the three detainees were found hanged in their cells.

The statement does not explain the reasons behind the suspension. .. <cont>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1662476.htm

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Last Update: Wednesday, June 14, 2006. 6:08am (AEST)

Hicks subjected to most extreme CIA torture, expert says

An expert in CIA interrogation techniques says the Australian Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks has been subjected to the most extreme torture in the agency's history.

American academic, Professor Alfred McCoy, has been studying CIA interrogation techniques for 50 years.

Professor McCoy says Guantanamo Bay is an ad hoc laboratory used to perfect CIA psychological torture methods.

He has told ABC TV's Lateline program that Hicks was subjected to 244 days of sensory disorientation, was left in a dark cell and denied sunlight and his only contact was a weekly visit by the military chaplain.

"David Hicks has suffered untold psychological damage that will take a great deal of care, a great deal of treatment, and probably the rest of his life to move beyond," he said.

"Confinement at Guantanamo constitutes torture. The question is, what kind of torture? It is psychological torture. Not the conventional, physical, brutal torture, but a distinctively American form of torture - psychological torture."

The suicides of three inmates has prompted renewed concern for Hicks's welfare.

The Federal Government says he is fine except for a sore back, but Professor McCoy says Hicks shows all the signs of someone who has been subjected to psychological torture. ... <cont>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1662258.htm

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The suicides of three inmates has prompted renewed concern for Hicks's welfare.

Poor thing. Maybe you could cheer him up by sending him a little something. Maybe .... some new bedsheets would do the trick??

Laughing

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What a bitter, unpleasant person you seem to be, SierraSong.

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Yes, I'm sure anyone who doesn't share your view of wanting to deify Hicks, the terrorist, would seem unpleasant to you and your ilk.

My sympathy meter for both you and him is effectively reading zero.

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No, I'm refering to your previous post. It's rather sad & mean. I feel rather sorry for you.

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As far as the nutjob, so-called "terror expert" bleating about psychological damage - I'm sure if the low-life Hicks could live in the insane asylum known as an Afghanistan terror-training camp, he can handle Gitmo - where he receives excellent medical care, 3 meals a day and plenty of exercise.

I hope he rots there.

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You have some relevant information that discredits Professor Alfred McCoy's research, SierraSong? Care to share it with us?
And as for David Hicks - you know something that hasn't already been published in the media? I'd be very interested to hear about that, too.

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Bush and his ar*e licking leaders of the coalition, Tony Blair and Australia's John Howard, should immediately get their military forces out of Iraq and let the people sort out the chaos the US led invasion has created.

Don't blame the death and destruction on the insurgency there is a very fine line between an insurgent and a patriot, the illegal invasion is directly responsible for all the death, violence and misery in that country. The occupation force lives in the "Green Zone" with their swimming pools, movie theaters, computers and video-games the wretched Iraqis are lucky if they get a couple of hours of electricity per day, their fresh water is limited and contaminated, babies are being born deformed and sick as a result of radiation from the depleted uranium that was used by US forces the residue from DU munitions is also affecting the soldiers it's not enough that close to a quarter of a million US troops have been sacrificed the radio-active contamination is now causing untold misery to the survivors and their families

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Blair and Howard should all be charged with crimes against humanity and tried in the International Criminal Court at the Hague.
In my prayers I implore my God to return the decent, caring, friendly United States of America, we once held in high regard, and get rid of this megalomaniacal despot passing himself of as a savior to the world he has no idea of the principles of democracy and the only thing he is spreading in the world is terror!

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SierraSong wrote:

Yes, I'm sure anyone who doesn't share your view of wanting to deify Hicks, the terrorist, would seem unpleasant to you and your ilk.

My sympathy meter for both you and him is effectively reading zero.

Since when has Hicks been a terrorist, have I missed something, I don't recall the trial ... within the democratic society in which I live a person is not only entitled to Habeas Corpus he is also considered innocent until proven guilty?

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anton

According to SierraSong's reasoning, if a person's locked up in Guantanamo Bay then theymust be a terrorist! If they're incarcerated there, end of story. They're guilty! The US never gets these things wrong, you know! :wink:

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I read the posts on this thread. I am in agreement with Sierra Song. However, my agreement and the complaints of Anton and Msolga mean nothing in the face of the USSC decision to come this month.

If the decision says that the USA must close Gitmo and repatriate the prisoners so be it. If the decision says that the USA must provide the same kind of trials for non-citizen terrorists that it provides for citizens, so be it.

I believe in the rule of law. I will back the judgment of the USSC even if it is not in line with my thinking.

The decision will, as far as I am concerned, make all the discussion moot,

However, it will highlight one thing which I have not viewed on this thread( maybe I missed it) and that is that there is a critical difference between the USA which operates under the rule of law and punishes military personnel who deviate from the Military Code with court martials and then punishments, and the Islamo-Facist fanatics, who have no rule of law when it comes to foreigners. They keep it simple. When they capture some one like Pearl, they just chop his head off!

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msolga wrote:

anton

According to SierraSong's reasoning, if a person's locked up in Guantanamo Bay then theymust be a terrorist! If they're incarcerated there, end of story. They're guilty! The US never gets these things wrong, you know! :wink:

And you have proof positive that they're all innocent?

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SierraSong wrote:

msolga wrote:
anton

According to SierraSong's reasoning, if a person's locked up in Guantanamo Bay then theymust be a terrorist! If they're incarcerated there, end of story. They're guilty! The US never gets these things wrong, you know! :wink:

And you have proof positive that they're all innocent?

That is not the question. I'm asking you to back up your posted opinions with facts, not just opinions! Is that too difficult to grasp? Rolling Eyes

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According to MsOlga, if a person's locked up in Gitmo, they're all being tortured and held there for no reason.

(That's about as much backup as you've provided for your facts).

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BernardR

Perhaps you could explain to non-US citizens what the USSC is, so we can fully understand what you're saying in your last post?

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