SierraSong wrote:Brandon - you'll have to forgive them. They're still in mourning for Zarqawi.
I am in mourning for those of my fellow citizens who can't seem to grasp the concept that might does not make right. We have become a nation and a culture of bullies.
SierraSong wrote:Brandon - you'll have to forgive them. They're still in mourning for Zarqawi.
Ah, there speaks the mentality behind these outrages, whether by Americans at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib Afghani prisons, Australians in Woomera etc, or Islamic extremists......anyone or thing not believing as we do is evil and worthy only of hatred and dehumanising and accusations that they support all manner of evil.
Merry Andrew wrote:
I am in mourning for those of my fellow citizens who can't seem to grasp the concept that might does not make right. We have become a nation and a culture of bullies.
I don't think, that will change their minds, Andrew
I suppose most of them must be more than just be blockheaded: some hundreds were released by now ... and even the Britains didn't anything related to terrorism (or just unlawful) with them.
dlowan wrote:SierraSong wrote:Brandon - you'll have to forgive them. They're still in mourning for Zarqawi.
Ah, there speaks the mentality behind these outrages, whether by Americans at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib Afghani prisons, Australians in Woomera etc, or Islamic extremists......anyone or thing not believing as we do is evil and worthy only of hatred and dehumanising and accusations that they support all manner of evil.
You forgot Haditha. Surely you didn't mean to leave out Haditha.
I do not mind that Zarqawi is dead. Many of his acts are no better than Bush's. What sickens me is the brutal nature of our needless invasion of Iraq, the continuing presence, and the politics that claims we must remain at perpetual war to maintain stability of the energy fields. Why is diplomacy always out of a gun barrell? Are we (America) an impotent giant in that regard, or simply blind to the backlash excessive bullying engenders?
Three men who have been held, without charge, in the US Concentration Camp at Guantanamo Bay have committed suicide by hanging
a very sad state of affairs for their families and those who have compassion
even the instigator of their incarceration George Bush is said to be concerned by their suicide and so he should seeing as he is directly responsible for it.
Now one super idiot, Rear Admiral Harry Harris, Commander of Joint Taskforce at Guantanamo has declared the prisoners took their own lives to further the cause to which they are committed
what the hell is this fool on about, these people have been held illegally for more than four years
if they are guilty of a crime or belong to a terrorist organization why haven't they been charged.
The world needs to wake up to this evil US Administration, they are corrupting the world with their barbaric disregard for freedom, decency and democracy
the US is a country in perpetual conflict with one country or another, they have cowed the world and have countries like Britain and Australia licking their balls
the cow-towing of these two countries to their controller is sickening to watch!
And the bleat goes on ...........
(Join hands now)
Brandon, you are supporting an administration that has done everything wrong in the last few years.
Finally they succeeded in killing a vicious criminal. Great!
To stand up to your armpits in heavy-handed mistakes and wrongdoing and gloat about one good deed is embarrassing to see.
In ten years when you will see how wrong you were it might occur to you that you were naive. With all the info available today, I would call Bush supporters fools.
Merry Andrew wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:dlowan wrote:Dunno...it would be one way for Gitmo to disappear without your administration having to admit it was wrong....just let 'em all kill themselves...kind of neat.
They're all dirty terrorists, even if there is not enough evidence to bother trying to convict 'em, even in those appalling kangaroo courts bushco have constructed for them, where no law is suffered to rear its ugly head.
We never have and never will try prisoners of war as though they were accused of civil infractions. We have a perfect right to take and detain prisoners captured in a war, all the anti-American bleating notwithstanding.
Most of the detainees are not 'prisoners of war' in any previously accepted sense of the word. They were swept up in indiscriminate dragnets and happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is why news reports always refer to them as 'detainees', not 'POWs'. And Oralloy is really muddying the waters by bringing Iraq into this equation. The detainees are mostly from Afghanistan, not Iraq.
What is disgraceful about the detention? If you don't know, you really haven't been following the news.
Fascinating that you allude to wrongdoing you call obvious, but don't say what it is. Please provide evidence that the prisoners were captured just sitting at home reading a book or some such. Of course, no one was taken prisoner in any past war who wasn't proven beyond doubt to be an enemy soldier or sabateur beforehand.
Merry Andrew wrote:SierraSong wrote:Brandon - you'll have to forgive them. They're still in mourning for Zarqawi.
I am in mourning for those of my fellow citizens who can't seem to grasp the concept that might does not make right. We have become a nation and a culture of bullies.
No we haven't. If you disagree, please provide a concrete example. Taking prisoners in a war doesn't qualify, since every country does this in every war.
detano inipo wrote:Brandon, you are supporting an administration that has done everything wrong in the last few years.
Finally they succeeded in killing a vicious criminal. Great!
To stand up to your armpits in heavy-handed mistakes and wrongdoing and gloat about one good deed is embarrassing to see.
In ten years when you will see how wrong you were it might occur to you that you were naive. With all the info available today, I would call Bush supporters fools.
Could you state, and then, without a lot of personal irrelevancies about my character. etc., defend, one single instance of this omnipresent Bush wrongdoing?
Brandon9000 wrote: Please provide evidence that the prisoners were captured just sitting at home reading a book or some such.
There was this famous taxi driver, for instance.
But this here comes up as the first google result:
Men Without a Country 'Disappointed' in America After a 'Pointless' Four Years at Gitmo
Walter -
Presenting facts only confuses them.
edgarblythe wrote:Walter -
Presenting facts only confuses them.
You mean, it could get worse
From the article you posted, one detainee blahbity-blahs ad nauseum of mistreatment by the EVIL U.S., isolation, no phone calls ... blah blah blah.
THEN ... there's this:
Quote:Q: If not Albania, where do you want to be?
A: Were hoping that the United States government would recognize the mistake that it has done and accept, allow us to enter the United States.
ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My question pertained to the circumstances of their capture. Neither your answer nor the link contains information that any prisoner was picked up without any reasonable grounds for suspicion. That some prisoners are eventually determined to be innocent neither proves that their capture was unreasonable, nor that it was unlike what happens in all wars. Many people who are taken prisoner or arrested are later found to be innocent. What does that prove?
Brandon9000 wrote:My question pertained to the circumstances of their capture. Neither your answer nor the link contains information that any prisoner was picked up without any reasonable grounds for suspicion.
Please tell me where the Pentagon published the grounds for suspicion that led to each specific prisoner's capture. I'll read it and get back to you.
Brandon9000 wrote: Many people who are taken prisoner or arrested are later found to be innocent. What does that prove?
That it's not a good idea to treat detainees as irregular enemy combatants before their status is determined by a competent tribunal.
edgarblythe wrote:Walter -
Presenting facts only confuses them.
after writing the following:
edgarblythe wrote:I do not mind that Zarqawi is dead. Many of his acts are no better than Bush's.
You have NO moral edge to make any comments. I find your opinion asinine and typical of what is wrong with liberal America.
Thomas wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:My question pertained to the circumstances of their capture. Neither your answer nor the link contains information that any prisoner was picked up without any reasonable grounds for suspicion.
Please tell me where the Pentagon published the grounds for suspicion that led to each specific prisoner's capture. I'll read it and get back to you.
Not a serious argument by you.
Thomas wrote:Brandon9000 wrote: Many people who are taken prisoner or arrested are later found to be innocent. What does that prove?
That it's not a good idea to treat detainees as irregular enemy combatants before their status is determined by a competent tribunal.
So, according to you, the fact that someone is eventually found innocent proves he shouldn't have been arrested or captured? According to you, prisoners should not be taken in a war without a trial first? This would be radically different from what has been done in past wars.
McGentrix wrote:edgarblythe wrote:Walter -
Presenting facts only confuses them.
after writing the following:
edgarblythe wrote:I do not mind that Zarqawi is dead. Many of his acts are no better than Bush's.
You have NO moral edge to make any comments. I find your opinion asinine and typical of what is wrong with liberal America.
I guess he was alluding to all the Bush beheadings of civilians captured for blackmail.
