Best American Fiction of the Last 25 Years?

The polemics destroy the writing, but, it is my opinion, after having taught in the inner city for five years, that Ms. Morrison does not have an ear for Black Dialect either. In her frantic effort to portray realism, she ends up with caricatures.

Blacks, as Ms. Morrison should know, cut across the spectrum. Some are poor, some are rich, some are dull,some are brilliant, some are liberal in philosophy, some are conservative.

Morrison's Beloved is a political polemic. They don't wear well!!!

The polemics destroy the writing, but, it is my opinion, after having taught in the inner city for five years, that Ms. Morrison does not have an ear for Black Dialect either. In her frantic effort to portray realism, she ends up with caricatures.

Blacks, as Ms. Morrison should know, cut across the spectrum. Some are poor, some are rich, some are dull,some are brilliant, some are liberal in philosophy, some are conservative.

Morrison's Beloved is a political polemic. They don't wear well!!!

Harvard University and MIT are both located in Cambridge, Ma
a town know for ultra-liberalism, among other things


Yes, you are correct that many residents of Cambridge work at Harvard and MIT and most of these are among the nonprofessional
staff. As you probably recall, Harvard pays the uneducated, unskilled worker very well, due in part to the unions on campus.
I personally think, that an unskilled worker who cleans bathrooms for a living at a pay scale of $25+/hour and doesn't speak a word of English, while also being illegal is really getting a good deal. In the meantime, the students are paying huge sums to attend both Harvard and MIT. Perhaps tuition would be lower is the kids washed their bathrooms.

But then, Cambridge would rebel.

I don't live in Cambridge.

There are times when digressions are amusing, refreshing, enlightening, delightful.

However, after the re-appearance of massagatto/italgatto/mortkat/bernardr on this forum, digressions have largely become unpleasant forays into the nether world of his mind and have largely destroyed every thread into which he intervenes.

From his first appearance as massagatto to today, he posts the same sort of material in exactly the same manner and I react in the same way: I scroll.

Indeed. It's fascinating (up to a point) how he turns every thread into a variation on a theme--his own political biases.

D'art to the heart -- I just wish it would dawn on him that he is making no converts and let us get on with our discussions.

Poor deluded PLain Ol Me- You cannot make converts out of people who do not have the necessary insight and knowledge to understand.

I do not write for people like you. You are lost and beyond the pale. How could a High School Teacher who has taught for years have any real insight?

I post for Okie, Finn, Ticomaya, Asherman and George Ob1- People who have more brains individually than the whole group of left wingers on these threads.

Don't flatter yourself, Plain Ol Me--I am sure that you don't understand half of what I post.That would require that you be someone who has gone through serious scholarly activities. It is obvious that you have not!!!

DeadCat, your posts over the years are clear evidence of that.

My dear Mr Possum, I am quite sure that there are medical/surgical remedies for your condition, the Edema of the brain syndrome you exhibit could quite possibly be corrected with a shunt directly to your rectum.

What makes you think Bernardr wants to convert anyone?

As far as your "discussions", no one would dare to stop you, would they? And moreover, why would they?

Something tells me you never took and passed a course in human
anatomy.

Excellent choice.

Is this really necessary?

Miller wrote in regards to BernardR:


Well, he certainly is going to be hard-pressed to convert anyone else to his position that Beloved is a political polemic. Witness these essays on the book, on Southern Writing, on Speech and English, on Faulkner and Morrison etc. :Click here, scroll down a bit.

NONE of them seem to have discovered the polemic BernardR says he has and his remarks about dialect appear not to have any other adherents either, at least amongst this group of scholars and students.

He says he found Ms. Morrison's claim about the number of deaths due to slavery to be suspect because of lack of evidence. Where is that claim? Page number, chapter. Anyone?. I kept waiting for as I listen to the reading by the author. Historical novels, one might inform him, tread lightly throughout the facts of history while inventing a story, a novel, a fiction. One can hardly make a polemic out of something like that, if indeed she did say it.

It reminds me of the time I went to a wedding with a very odd woman. The couple marrying were her friends, not mine, and I was stunned at the extravagance of the affair. Boatloads of shellfish and lobsters, hugh hunks of beef on every plate, gallons of liquor and wine, giant towers of frosted sweets and a band that knew every mad dance tune for the past fifty years. I had a great time. When I asked my date what she thought she said "They should have removed the leaves and stems from the strawberries."

I think we can safely disregard anything else BernardR has to say about Beloved, it's obviously a book way over his head and beyond his myopic, throughly political, soul, although we do wish him the best on his intellectual desert island for one.

Joe(I'm about halfway through and loving it.)Nation

Yes, except for it not being American literature, the subject of this thread.

Joe(I know. All of South America is part of America. Yeah.)Nation

Beloved is a political polemic. It has gained ground among feminists, Race Carders, and the pollitically correct.

Joe Nation apparently thinks it stands as great literature.

One page of Shakespeare which, unfortunately, is unread, is worth more than the entire Beloved book.

What Mr. Nation obviously does not know is that if you put all of the worth while literature one MUST read in order to be well read and conversant with Western Civilization's gems, even if you were twenty years old and read incessantly, you could not reach the level Beloved would be placed at.

Joe Nation apparently buys the thesis of Morrison. Whites are devils who enslaved blacks and killed millions of them. What he does not know and does not wish to learn is that Historical Research has found that Black People who were slaves lived as well as white people in the North who worked in factories and much better than 90% of the people in Europe.

Beloved is a political polemic. It has gained ground among feminists, Race Carders, and the pollitically correct.

Joe Nation apparently thinks it stands as great literature.

One page of Shakespeare which, unfortunately, is unread, is worth more than the entire Beloved book.

What Mr. Nation obviously does not know is that if you put all of the worth while literature one MUST read in order to be well read and conversant with Western Civilization's gems, even if you were twenty years old and read incessantly, you could not reach the level Beloved would be placed at.

Joe Nation apparently buys the thesis of Morrison. Whites are devils who enslaved blacks and killed millions of them. What he does not know and does not wish to learn is that Historical Research has found that Black People who were slaves lived as well as white people in the North who worked in factories and much better than 90% of the people in Europe.

Beloved is a political polemic. It has gained ground among feminists, Race Carders, and the pollitically correct.

Joe Nation apparently thinks it stands as great literature.

One page of Shakespeare which, unfortunately, is unread, is worth more than the entire Beloved book.

What Mr. Nation obviously does not know is that if you put all of the worth while literature one MUST read in order to be well read and conversant with Western Civilization's gems, even if you were twenty years old and read incessantly, you could not reach the level Beloved would be placed at.

Joe Nation apparently buys the thesis of Morrison. Whites are devils who enslaved blacks and killed millions of them. What he does not know and does not wish to learn is that Historical Research has found that Black People who were slaves lived as well as white people in the North who worked in factories and much better than 90% of the people in Europe.

Beloved is a political polemic. It has gained ground among feminists, Race Carders, and the pollitically correct.

Joe Nation apparently thinks it stands as great literature.

One page of Shakespeare which, unfortunately, is unread, is worth more than the entire Beloved book.

What Mr. Nation obviously does not know is that if you put all of the worth while literature one MUST read in order to be well read and conversant with Western Civilization's gems, even if you were twenty years old and read incessantly, you could not reach the level Beloved would be placed at.

Joe Nation apparently buys the thesis of Morrison. Whites are devils who enslaved blacks and killed millions of them. What he does not know and does not wish to learn is that Historical Research has found that Black People who were slaves lived as well as white people in the North who worked in factories and much better than 90% of the people in Europe.