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How do you change the Terrorism of the Islamic/Arab World?

 
 
Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 11:38 am
I posted this question under the Title of "How do you solve the problem of Terrorist Islam" two years ago.
The main thrust of the responses I received was that I was a racist and that terrorism was simply not exclusive to Islam - all religions contained terrorismÂ….
I found those answers unsatisfactory.
So, I pose the question once more, albeit in a slightly modified, broader context - How do you change the Terrorism of the Islamic and Arab World?

There is a large faction of Muslims, tens of millions or more, of many stripes and beliefs who accept and promote the idea that the murder of innocents is perfectly allowable under the umbrella of Islamic Jihad. These Islamic Jihaddists are joined by Arabs who are nominally Muslim who also engage in this form of terrorism to promote their own nationalistic; pan-Arab; tribal; and despotic ends.

The majority of these murders are committed against their fellow Muslims and/or Arabs.
The daily attacks in Iraq; the assassinations and bombings in Pakistan; the battles in Afghanistan; the near civil war amongst the Arabs called Palestinians; are all examples of Muslims, claiming to be fighting for Islam, murdering their fellow Muslims.
Nonetheless, in addition to murdering their own fellow Muslims, Muslims continue to murder non-Muslims, from Nigeria to New York; from Saudi Arabia to Indonesia; and from Russia to Israel,
The avowed goal of these Islamic Jihad death cultists is to make "their" faction of Islam the dominant religion on earth, conquering all others and establishing their Islamic hegemony over the world.
There is an overall Islamic obsession with murder and destruction in achieving these goals of world hegemony. The reason for these murders and destruction vary amongst the different Islamic factions:
They result from a belief that "their" land is being violated - such as their incessant attacks against Israel.
They result from a belief that "their" culture is being violated - such as their attacks against the United States; India; Spain; Russia; and other non-Muslim countries.
And, they result simply from the idea that their religious beliefs are being violated - such as their Cartoon Jihad; the incessant internecine warfare between Shia, Sunni, and other Muslim factions; or their attacks against Arab or nominally Islamic countries throughout the Middle East, North Africa and Asia.

This kind of warfare, destruction and murder in the name of Islam has been ongoing since the inception of Islam. Due to the unlimited funding of the oil rich Muslim nations of the Middle East and through the advent of modern technology and communications, this Islamic Jihad desire for world dominance has grown and prospered over the last fifty years until we have the logical next step in this saga where a Muslim theocracy, Iran, proclaims that it will use its resources and technology to acquire nuclear weapons in order to wage nuclear war against the infidels.

This lust for blood and death appears to be an ongoing process that is never going to stop, unless the Islamists themselves begin preaching and teaching that death and destruction is not the way to world hegemony and that this deadly Jihad against the world is not the way to their Islamic heaven.
My question is then - how?
How does the world get Islam, a religion of over a billion adherents, with ten of millions or more who believe in their bloody Islamic Jihad, to stop murdering mass numbers of innocent people and to cease their goal of world conquest rooted in this orgy of death and destruction?
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Seeker
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 11:59 am
With difficulty!
Ummm personally I don't suppose there is a lot we can do, there needs to be some kind of example from Islamic leaders I suppose... but then, they've tried that, and these terrorrists just denounce them.
I guess the answer is I don't know!
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 02:47 pm
The genie is out of the bottle. Too late to turn the jihad ship around.
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When 9/11 happened, the whole world was shocked and asked the US: how can we help.
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That, in my opinion, included the majority of Muslims who are peaceful people. Bush decided to say something like: You are either with us or with the terrorists. He attacked and destroyed Iraq and some of his soldiers made cruel mistakes.
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All that led to wholesale hatred in the Muslim camp. We have now doubled or tripled the number of Muslim fanatics. The occupation has turned into a bloodbath.
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It looks grim for those who are thinking of returning to a normal co-existance with the Muslim world. The fanatics on both sides have made a mess of it.
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 03:06 pm
detano inipo wrote:
The genie is out of the bottle. Too late to turn the jihad ship around.
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When 9/11 happened, the whole world was shocked and asked the US: how can we help.
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That, in my opinion, included the majority of Muslims who are peaceful people. Bush decided to say something like: You are either with us or with the terrorists. He attacked and destroyed Iraq and some of his soldiers made cruel mistakes.
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All that led to wholesale hatred in the Muslim camp. We have now doubled or tripled the number of Muslim fanatics. The occupation has turned into a bloodbath.
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It looks grim for those who are thinking of returning to a normal co-existance with the Muslim world. The fanatics on both sides have made a mess of it.

What about before 9-11?
Were the peaceful Muslims shocked and did they ask to help when Saudi Arabia was established by the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Muslims throughout the Arabian pennisula?
Were they shocked and did they ask to help when they began murdering Jews in the British Mandate of Palestine?
Were they shocked and did they ask to help when Algerian warlords butchered again hundreds of thousands of Algerian Muslims in their efforts to seize control of Algeria?
The Turkish extermination of Armenians?
In their war of extermination against the establishment of Israel?
The wars between Egypt and Libya?
The massacre of almost a million Sudanese by Sudanese Muslims?
The million or so that died in the war between Iraq and Iran?
The hijackings and murders by communist fascists all over the world in the name of some sort of Socialist Arab Palestine?
The torture, murder and imprisonment of tens of thousands in Iran who disagree with the theocracy?
The first World Trade Center bombing?
The American Embassies that were blown up?
The list is literally endless and the carnage sweeps from one end of the globe to the other.
Islamic fanatical Jihaddis are not products of the United States invading Iraq.
They are Islamic cults with deep roots in Islamic history.
And, now, in today's world, they are actually threatening the safety and prosperity of mankind.
So, my question is - short of war and using their own savage tactics against them, how can they be stopped? Reformed? How can Islam change?
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 04:09 pm
Moishe, how do you stop a chain-smoker, an alcoholic, a teen-age member of a gang, a drug addict? Not by beating him with a baseball bat, but by talking to him and convincing him to change his ways.
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It may be too late to convince Muslims, now that we have beaten the daylights out of them.
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 04:39 pm
detano inipo wrote:
Moishe, how do you stop a chain-smoker, an alcoholic, a teen-age member of a gang, a drug addict? Not by beating him with a baseball bat, but by talking to him and convincing him to change his ways.
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It may be too late to convince Muslims, now that we have beaten the daylights out of them.

Yes, it may be "too late" for them to change, but that has nothing to do with us beating the hell out of them.
The two things are not connected.
I would like to stop beating the hell out of them.
But, in order to do that, they are going to have to change.
When the chain-smoking, alcoholic, drug-addicted teenage member of a gang murders your brother and rapes your sister, you have no choice but to beat the hell out of him. Or die.
However, after a certain amount of time of beating the hell out of each and every member of the gang that is terrorizing your neighborhood, there comes a point where you kind of hope that maybe they will get the message and stop.
Good analogy.
Now how are you going to talk to that gang member, who is still trying to burn down your apartment house and kill your dog, and convince him to change his ways?
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smog
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 04:42 pm
Well, I see this thread accomplishing a lot...
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 05:14 pm
It is impossible to change the mind of someone who solves every problem with violence. Killing and torturing Muslims does not do much for world peace.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 11:47 pm
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 07:30 am
Doktor S wrote:
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Are you suggesting for the entire Islamic/Arab world, bits of it or the entire world, regardless of whether that particular area is Muslims or not? Because, the latter would be a great idea to wiping out terrorism.

You can't have terrorism if there's no one to carry it out. Laughing

Or you know, we could both be joking by taking the extreme option.

Try looking at Northern Ireland. Is the IRA a good comparison with the Islamic terrorists? What about ETA? Are they a good comparison? These non-Islamic terrorist groups must be getting miffed at the Muslim ones getting all the attention.

Furthermore, isn't this more suited to a political forum? Unless you're considering the answer of forced conversion of every Muslim to Christianity...
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 07:32 am
detano inipo wrote:
Moishe, how do you stop a chain-smoker, an alcoholic, a teen-age member of a gang, a drug addict? Not by beating him with a baseball bat, but by talking to him and convincing him to change his ways.
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It may be too late to convince Muslims, now that we have beaten the daylights out of them.

Yes, ideally, but what if the drug addict is trying to rob people to pay for drugs? Not a good idea to stop him directly, as well as try to reform him?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:27 am
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:


Are you suggesting for the entire Islamic/Arab world, bits of it or the entire world, regardless of whether that particular area is Muslims or not? Because, the latter would be a great idea to wiping out terrorism.

The entire middle east. Boom.
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You can't have terrorism if there's no one to carry it out. Laughing

Exactly.
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Or you know, we could both be joking by taking the extreme option.

I'm not.
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Try looking at Northern Ireland. Is the IRA a good comparison with the Islamic terrorists? What about ETA? Are they a good comparison? These non-Islamic terrorist groups must be getting miffed at the Muslim ones getting all the attention.

Sure, the middle east isn't the only problem. But it's a bad one.
comparitavly I see the middle east as a terminal 20 pound tumor, and the IRA as a tummy ache.
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Furthermore, isn't this more suited to a political forum? Unless you're considering the answer of forced conversion of every Muslim to Christianity...

Forced conversion? Wouldn't that be like trying to cure a cancer with AIDS?
Hell no.
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