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Sat 22 Apr, 2006 01:34 pm
Revelation
Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
Reveal: Function: transitive verb 1 : to make known through divine inspiration 2 : to make (something secret or hidden) publicly or generally known <reveal>3 : to open up to view : DISPLAY <the> synonyms REVEAL, DISCLOSE, DIVULGE, TELL, BETRAY
Revelation: Function: noun 1 a: an act of revealing or communicating divine truth b: something that is revealed by God to humans 2 a: an act of revealing to view or making known b: something that is revealed; especially: an enlightening or astonishing disclosure <shocking> c: a pleasant often enlightening surprise <her>
As we continue to distinguish the difference between seeing with the physical eyes and knowing in the spiritual mind, let us take a moment so that we can study the dynamics of a revelation. As I had written previously we must understand that there is a chasm that divides the dimensions of seeing and knowing in this physical world. If you did not comprehend anything else from the previous writing, just understand that a revelation is the bridge which connects these two gaps. It is a most important piece.
Without revelation Noah would not have known about the coming judgement (Gen 6:13). Without revelation Lot would not have known about the impendent destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen 19:12-13). Without revelation Daniel would not have been able to interpret Nebuchadnezzar's dreams (Dan 2:20-22) Without revelation the physical eyes are but decorative ornaments for the physical body.
In order for us to fully comprehend the dynamics of a revelation, we must first understand its nature. First understand that any or everything that an individual does not know has the potential to become a revelation.
If you will study the definitions you will see that a revelation arises from a secret, hidden, concealed or unknown agent. This agent may be unknown to an individual or to a general public. In other words a revelation begins in the realm of the unknown. When or after this hidden, concealed, secret or unknown agent is disclosed, divulged, or displayed it then becomes a revelation. The subject or agent has now moved from the realm of the unknown into the realm of the known.
Secondly we must understand that there are 3 constants which are always present in all revelations.
The 1st constant which is present in all revelations is the presence of a revelator. The revelator is the entity who discloses that which is to be revealed, or the revelator is one who reveals the will of God. In the Bible we see examples of humans, angels, the Holy Spirit, and God as revelators (Gen 19:12-13, Dan 2:28, Matt 16:17, Matt 11:27, Luke 2:26, Is 22:14)
The 2nd constant that must be present in all revelations is the object or cause of the revealing. The object or cause, is the person, place, or thing which the revelation has arisen from. During the End-times we see that the two main objects or causes of revelation will be the Man of Sin (Anti-Christ) (2Thess 2:3and8) and Messias (2Thess 1:7, Is 40:5)
The 3rd constant that must be present in all revelations is a recipient or recipients. This is the individual or individuals who receive the revelations. In the Bible we see examples of Noah, Lot, Daniel, Peter, and many others as recipients of various revelations (Gen 6:6, Gen 19:12-13, Dan 2:19, Matt 16:17)
Now let us take a closer look at the most important constituent part of a revelation. The object or cause is the most important part of a revelation. There are 3 things that we must understand about a revelations object or cause.
The object or cause is the seed or source of any revelation. Without the object or cause, a revelation would cease to be. The revelator would not have anything to reveal and the recipient would not have anything to receive. Let's use Noah for an example. What was the object or cause of Noah's revelation? The answer is man's exceeding wickedness (Gen 6:5) Just think about it. If man had not become exceedingly wicked, then there would not have been a need for a judgement. God would not have had anything to reveal and Noah would not have had any revelation to receive.
The object or cause of a revelation is in existence and operating before or at the time of the revelation. It has to because the object or cause causes the revelation. Man's exceeding wickedness was in existence and operating before and at the time of Noah's revelation. The Man of Sin (Anti-Christ) and Messias are in existence and operating before and at the times of their revealing (2Thess 2:7)
The object or cause is in existence and operating before or at the time of its revelation regardless of whether you interact with it, see it, or know it. Noah's ability or inability to interact with, know, or see the wickedness in his surroundings did not change the existence or work of the wickedness. Your ability or inability to interact with, see, or know the Anti-Christ and Messias in your surroundings does not negate their existence or work.
"Where there are no secrets or unknowns, there is no revelation."
A gobbledygook tour de force . . . the very quintessence of babble . . . you must be proud . . .
Sorry, Mindy. I'm stuck in the chasm again. I'm really just a dumb yokel from New Jersey and I need things explained without recondite rhetoric and esoteric erudition. Could you help?
Revelation:
Revealed true identity of Jesus Lucifer
Reference: King James Version
Isaiah 14:
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart,
a) I will ascend into heaven,
b) I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
c) I will sit also upon the mount of the Congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 d)I will ascend above the heights of the clouds:
e)I will be like the most High.
COMPARISON:
OLD TESTAMENT
1) Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
(Note: Lucifer is Latin for bright.)
NEW TESTAMENT
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (How arrogant, naming himself after such a lustrous heavenly body!)
OLD TESTAMENT
2) Isaiah 14:13 I will ascend into heaven
NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 24:51
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
OLD TESTAMENT
3) Isaiah 14:13
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
The stars of God are the Israelites. (See Numbers 24:17 "...there shall come a Star out of Jacob,...")
Genesis 15:5
And he brought him forth abroad, and said,
Look now towards heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him,
So shall thy seed be.
Deuteronomy 10:22
Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons, and now the LORD thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.
NEW TESTAMENT
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them,
Verily I say unto you,
That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his the glory, ye also shall sit upon thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
OLD TESTAMENT
4) Isaiah 14:13
I will sit also upon the mount of the Congregation, in the sides of the north.
[Note:
a) Mt. Ophel, just south of the Temple Mount, has been identified as Mt. Zion. Jesus as a child sat in the Temple.
b) Location of the Last Supper is just north of (Mt. Zion?)]
Psalm 48:2
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 2:46
And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
Matthew 26:20
Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
Luke 22:14
And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
5) Isaiah 14:14
I will be like the most High.
God says He is the first and the last in the following passages:-
OLD TESTAMENT
Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
NEW TESTAMENT
Jesus says that he is the first and the last in the following passages:-
Revelation 1:11
Saying, I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and untoLaodicea.
Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
God's garments are sprinkled with blood in the following passage:-
OLD TESTAMENT
Isaiah 63:3
I have trodden the wine press alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
Jesus' garment is dipped in blood in the following passage:-
NEW TESTAMENT
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
OLD TESTAMENT
In Isaiah, new heavens and new earth are mentioned in the following passage:-
Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
NEW TESTAMENT
In Revelation, a new heaven and a new earth are mentioned in the following passage:-
Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away: and there was no more sea.
OLD TESTAMENT
God is the bridegroom of His people in the following:-
Isaiah 62:5
For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
NEW TESTAMENT
Jesus is the bridegroom of his followers in the following:-
Matthew 9:15
And Jesus said unto them, Can the chilren of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and shall they fast.
Mark 2:19.
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
20. But the days will come, while the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
Luke 5:34.
And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridegroom fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
35. But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
Revelation 19:7.
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
9. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 20:9.
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Isaiah 14:19
"But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,..."
Note: The image of Jesus on the cross confirms it for there is no gravesite of him.
Jesus fits the descriptions of Lucifer almost to a T.
So is Jesus God or Lucifer?
Yup, I suppose anyone can read anything they like into the Bible.
Being a Deist I believe in one loving God for all humanity, not some butcher who punishes people because of their religious beliefs.
If God of the Bible or Koran can't measure up to what America stands for, if it can't obey the Golden Rule, then it's a fraud.
Lucifer = doesnt mean 'bright'. It means 'Light Bearer' (latin: lux meaning 'light' and ferre, 'to bear/bring')
Lucifer = doesnt mean 'bright'. It means 'Light Bearer' (latin: lux meaning 'light' and ferre, 'to bear/bring')
Lucifer = doesnt mean 'bright'. It means 'Light Bearer' (latin: lux meaning 'light' and ferre, 'to bear/bring')
Lucifer = doesnt mean 'bright'. It means 'Light Bearer' (latin: lux meaning 'light' and ferre, 'to bear/bring')
Lucifer = doesnt mean 'bright'. It means 'Light Bearer' (latin: lux meaning 'light' and ferre, 'to bear/bring')
Lucifer = doesnt mean 'bright'. It means 'Light Bearer' (latin: lux meaning 'light' and ferre, 'to bear/bring')
Lucifer = doesnt mean 'bright'. It means 'Light Bearer' (latin: lux meaning 'light' and ferre, 'to bear/bring')
Lucifer = doesnt mean 'bright'. It means 'Light Bearer' (latin: lux meaning 'light' and ferre, 'to bear/bring')
hmm i dont know why it posted so many times
Maybe Lucifer did it. He liked the idea that someone got his name right.
the original Canaanite version" of the Biblical passage Isaiah 14:12-14:
How hast thou fallen from heaven, Helel's son Shaher!
Thou didst say in thy heart, I will ascend to Heaven.
Above the circumpolar stars I will raise my throne
And I will dwell on the Mount of Council in the back of the North
I will mount on the back of a cloud.
I will be like unto Elyon.
Godwin says, "This ancient epic was recorded seven centuries before Christ in a Canaanite scripture. Five centuries later a Hebrew scribe copied it almost verbatim . . ."
How hast thou fallen from heaven, Helel's son Shaher!
Thou didst say in thy heart, I will ascend to Heaven.
Above the circumpolar stars I will raise my throne
And I will dwell on the Mount of Council in the back of the North
I will mount on the back of a cloud.
I will be like unto Elyon.
Godwin says, "This ancient epic was recorded seven centuries before Christ in a Canaanite scripture. Five centuries later a Hebrew scribe copied it almost verbatim . . ." The source is not here given, there is no index, and there is no bibliography. However, unlike many of these Angel dictionaries, this one seems well researched otherwise, with sources often noted. On pg. 116, there is a note under the subtitle "The Nephilim," which states, "Helel: Son of the Canaanite Shaher who is often identified with Lucifer himself.
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