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Soul,Eternity and Paradise..

 
 
Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 03:51 pm
This chapter is about eternal life with bodily resurrection.

........ ''What connection with eternity and Paradise has faulty, deficient, changing, unstable, and suffering corporeality? Since the spirit has elevated pleasures, that is sufficient. Why is bodily resurrection necessary for bodily pleasures?

Because, just as in relation to water, air, and light, earth is dense and dark, but since it is the source and means of all the varieties of Divine artefacts, in meaning it rises above the other elements; and just as in regard to the mystery of its comprehensiveness and on condition it is purified, the human soul, which is also dense, rises above all the other human subtle faculties; so too corporeality is the richest and most comprehensive and all-embracing mirror to the manifestation of the Divine Names.

All the tools and instruments for measuring the contents of the treasuries of mercy and reckoning their balances lie in corporeality.

For example, if the sense of taste in the tongue was not the source of scales to the number of the sorts of foods and their pleasures, it could not experience them all and recognize them, and taste and weigh them up. Also, the instruments for experiencing and knowing the manifestations of most of the Divine Names, and tasting and recognizing them, again lie in corporeality. And the faculties for experiencing all the infinitely various pleasures are also in corporeality.


It is understood clearly from the disposition of the universe and man's comprehensiveness that the universe's Maker wants to make known all the treasuries of His mercy, and all the manifestations of His Names, and to make experienced all the varieties of His bounties.

The abode of bliss, therefore, which is a vast pool formed from the flood of the universe and a great exhibition of the textiles woven on the loom of the universe and an everlasting store of the crops produced in the arable field of this world, will resemble the universe to a degree.

And it will preserve all its fundamental matters, both corporeal and spiritual.

Its All-Wise Maker, the Most Compassionate One, will also give as recompense for the duties of the physical tools and instruments, pleasures worthy of them; and to His servants, as a wage and reward for the particular worship of each.

Otherwise a situation would occur that was contrary to His wisdom, justice, and mercy, which is in no way fitting for the beauty of His mercy and perfection of His justice, and in no way compatible with them.'' BSN
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 03:57 pm
Yeah, sure. But when do I get the 70 virgins, the milk and the honey?
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 04:08 pm
Lol...

If you share all stars in the universe one and one.. Blacksmith takes 100 billion stars..
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 04:16 pm
Good point.
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 04:48 pm
''The bodies of living creatures are doomed to annihilation and death in this world because of an imbalance between what is taken in and what is expended.

From childhood until maturity much is taken in, and after that what is expended increases; the balance is spoilt, and the body dies.

In the world of eternity, however, the particles of the body remain constant and are not subject to composition and dissolution, or else the balance remains constant.

Like a closed circle or perpetual motion, the body of the living creature becomes eternal together with the functioning of the machine of bodily life for pleasure.

Although in this world eating and drinking and sexual relations arise from need and perform a function, various delights and pleasures have been placed within them as an immediate wage for the duty performed, and these are superior to other pleasures.

Since in this abode of sorrows eating and sexual relations are the means to so many wonderful and various pleasures, certainly in Paradise, which is the abode of pleasure and bliss, those pleasures will take on a sublime form.

The recompense of the duties pertaining to the hereafter performed here will also be added to them as pleasure, and they will be augmented by worldly needs which have taken the form of agreeable, otherworldly appetites, so will become an all-embracing, living source of pleasure worthy of Paradise and suitable to eternity. Indeed, according to the meaning of the verse,

.........And what is the life of this world but amusement and play? But indeed the Abode of the Hereafter, that is life indeed,...Qur'an, 29:64......


substances, matters, which are inanimate and without consciousness and life in the abode of this world, there will be living and conscious.

Like human beings and animals here, the trees and stones there will understand commands and carry them out. If you tell a tree to bring you such-and-such a fruit, it will bring it.

And if you tell such-and-such a stone to come, it will come. Since stones and trees will take on this elevated form, it surely necessitates that, together with preserving their bodily realities, eating, drinking, and sexual relations also will take on a form higher than their worldly form, higher to the degree that Paradise is higher than this world.''

Qur'an and Hadith interpretation. BSN
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 05:09 pm
You assume the soul survives death. It does not.

Belief in an immortal soul is an identifying mark of false religion.
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 05:11 pm
Spirit doesn't die.. It is immortal.. Only body die. OK ?
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 05:22 pm
According to the psalmist, when a person dies "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish." (Psalm 146:4)

So, when you're dead - you're dead.
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 05:25 pm
''Does the verse,

....Everything will perish save His countenance...Qur'an, 28:88.


include the hereafter, Paradise, and Hell, and their inhabitants, or does it not include them?

T h e A n s w e r : This question has been much discussed by the scholars, the saints, and those who uncover the realities of creation. The word is theirs in this matter. Moreover, the verse is very broad and contains many levels.

The majority of scholars said that it does not include the everlasting realm, while others said that those realms too will perish for just an instant, a brief interval of time, but so brief a time that it will not be perceived that they have been annihilated and returned.

But the absolute annihilation stated by some of those who uncover the realities whose ideas are extreme, is not right.

For since the Most Pure and Holy Divine Essence is eternal and everlasting, His attributes and Names are also surely eternal and everlasting.

And since His attributes and Names are everlasting and eternal, the everlasting beings and immortal ones in the realm of eternity which are the mirrors, manifestations, impresses, and places of reflection of His attributes and Names of necessity will not go to absolute non-existence.''
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 05:33 pm
there is no absolute non-existence, for His knowledge is all-embracing. And there is nothing outside the sphere of Divine knowledge so that something can be cast there.

The non-existence within the sphere of His knowledge is external non-existence and a title for something concealed but existent in Divine knowledge.

Some scholars have called these beings existent in Divine knowledge "latent realities." In which case, to go to extinction is to be temporarily divested of external dress and to enter upon existence in Divine knowledge, existence in meaning.

That is to say, transitory, ephemeral beings leave external existence and their essences are clothed in what has the meaning of existence; they pass from the sphere of Divine power to that of Divine knowledge.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 07:43 pm
Kev, I assume you know this already. But I consider the Koran to be a totally spurious endeavor. It contradicts the bible in so many ways, my mind fairly bursts with examples.

Take the beginning of Genesis, for example. God told Adam and Eve the consequence of their eating the fruit would be death; nothing more, nothing less. Would it not have been appropriate at that time to warn them of additional punishments - like roasting eternally in hell?

The fact that nominal christians and even the atheists of this board are not able to understand this simple deduction in no way limits its truthfulness. The consequence of sin is death. When you are dead, you no longer have thoughts.

Why?

Because you are dead. That's why.

You won't even know you are dead
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 03:06 pm
One of the Prophets specialist is to be sinless. Mistake is OK but sin is impossible for all Prophets. Qur'an says like that for all of them.

Mistake and sin are so diffferent things. Yes they r mankind.. Mistake is possible.

God doesn't give any punishment for Prophets. So first Prophet is Adem (A.S). Yes He made mistake but there r many wisdoms on this event.

Both of them (Eve and Hz. Adem) were send to World. There r so many detailed knowledge about them in Qur'an and Hadith.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 03:31 pm
*Watches with interest as the participants discuss the rules, noting with amusement as participant A quotes the rules of hockey while participant B is clearly talking football*
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 06:52 pm
kevnmoon wrote:


Both of them (Eve and Hz. Adem) were send to World. There r so many detailed knowledge about them in Qur'an and Hadith.
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