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Turkey and EU

 
 
Ellinas
 
Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 05:58 am
What do you think?
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Dutch Girl
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 06:02 am
No Laughing
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kosmos-SErbia
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 07:27 am
no because turkey is not europe...
serbia also doesn t deserve to be in it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 07:48 am
This obviously very interesting question has been dealt of in various threads since 2002 (I think, I even had one with the same headline in 2003 :wink: ).

Turkey is a member candidate (the document was finalised by the EU-25's foreign ministers on 3 October 2005), and the ongoing accession talks have been defined as an "open-ended process" that may last ten to 15 years - lot's of more threads possible Laughing
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 12:02 pm
As it looks to me, a possible enter of Turkey in the EU will have both positive and negative results.

Positive: Turkey will be forced to end the current political situation, the rule of the military officers in other words. The minorities of Turkey (which are not a few) will stop to be oppressed like this. For me as a Greek this is positive because the Greeks who are there and are hiding their ethnicity and religion today will be free to establish their business there etc. I believe the overall aggressive mentality of the military officers who drive the Turkish government will change.

Negative: Turkey has a population of 70 million. Such an add in the population of the EU could cause many problems (economical problems, problems in the allocation of the European parliament members etc.). The Turks are going to be free to immigrate in whatever part of Europe they want to, and you can imagine what problems (economical and cultural) this can add in the problems we already have. I leave out that Turkey doesn't belong to Europe culturally, linguistically and religiously.

It is really a dilemma, however I am leaning towards no.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 12:16 pm
Ellinas wrote:
... has a population of 70 million. Such an add in the population of the EU could cause many problems (economical problems, problems in the allocation of the European parliament members etc.).


Such has been an "argument" whenever a new country was joining: Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom joined the original six countries in 1973, followed by Greece in 1981, Spain and Portugal in 1986 and Austria, Finland and Sweden in 1995.
In 2004 we got as new member states: Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia, while Bulgaria and Romania will follow next year.
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 12:25 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Such has been an "argument" whenever a new country was joining: Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom joined the original six countries in 1973, followed by Greece in 1981, Spain and Portugal in 1986 and Austria, Finland and Sweden in 1995.
In 2004 we got as new member states: Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia, while Bulgaria and Romania will follow next year.


The entrance of Turkey will equal the last year's expansion by population (And don't forget the mentality of the Turks I already mentioned, imagine the realignments in the European parliament). I fon't think the entrance of England when EU was still new can be compared with a possible entrance of Turkey.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 12:30 pm
When Denmark, Ireland and UK joined, the EU wasn't new but running for more than 16 (plus the couple of years prior as ECSC), but it's population grew as never afterwards.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2006 04:49 am
I have one very important reason why I think Turkey should not join the EU: A couple of years ago, while negotiations over Turkey's entry were taking place, the US president, George W Bush, had the infernal cheek to make a speech in Istanbul stating that the EU should admit Turkey.

That, to me, is a good reason to exclude Turkey for ever!
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2006 07:54 am
contrex wrote:
I have one very important reason why I think Turkey should not join the EU: A couple of years ago, while negotiations over Turkey's entry were taking place, the US president, George W Bush, had the infernal cheek to make a speech in Istanbul stating that the EU should admit Turkey.

That, to me, is a good reason to exclude Turkey for ever!


The USA could have a "closer eye" to the EU, if Turkey joined, especially some years ago when we know how the relation between Turkey and USA was. Lately their relations are sharpened.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2006 08:59 am
In Turkey they have honour killings in the villages and women are killed for disobeying their husbands or fathers. This is primitive and backward. It will be 50 years at least before they are civilised.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2006 10:00 am
I'm an American, an outsider, and no direct interest in this question, but my answer would be no. At least not as Turkey is configured at present. Turkey is the rump of an empire and has some of the problems associated with an empire, ...self determination. There are three major ethnic groups Greeks, found along the Aegean coast. Turks who make up the majority of the western and central section of the country, and Kurds, who reside in the eastern third, particularly the southeast. There has been over the past 100 years on going conflicts between all three groups, at the moment it is between Turks and Kurds. Greeks are culturally oriented towards western Europe, Greece is already in the EU, so so a possible Greek/Turk conflict is less likely and of less significance if Turkey is admitted. The Kurds however have a total different agenda and their cultural/political orientation is towards the middle east, not Europe. If Turkey were admitted to the EU with it's Kurdish population, the EU would find it's self directly involved in the middle east and the conflicts that currently define that region. It would also been seen by much of the middle eastern population as a revived expansionist European imperial power. In my opinion if Turkey wants to joint the EU it should first sheads the eastern third of its territory and recognize an independent Kurdistan. The cultural problems that characterize some of rural Turkey can be dealt with over time.
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FreeThought
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 08:25 pm
No way! At least not yet.
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Sat 6 May, 2006 02:36 am
Acquiunk wrote:
There are three major ethnic groups Greeks, found along the Aegean coast. Turks who make up the majority of the western and central section of the country, and Kurds, who reside in the eastern third, particularly the southeast. There has been over the past 100 years on going conflicts between all three groups, at the moment it is between Turks and Kurds. Greeks are culturally oriented towards western Europe, Greece is already in the EU, so so a possible Greek/Turk conflict is less likely and of less significance if Turkey is admitted.


The Greek remnants at the Aegean coast are many, but do they really kept their identity? I don't think so. They are millions of "genetically" Greeks in Turkey but their majority have Turkish as their mother tongue and are converted to Islam - after more than 50 years of strict brainwash and threats by the Turkish goverments, I doubt if people that still recognise their Greek identity are more than 200,000.
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jun, 2006 06:30 am
"You can't play with 70 million Turks"

Why Turkey must not enter the EU (funny animation):

http://www.e-grammes.gr/turkman.htm

Smile Very Happy
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2006 11:58 pm
Posted on the "EU-thread":

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EU membership talks with Turkey were rescued from the brink of collapse yesterday as a diplomatic stand-off underlined the scale of the obstacles confronting Ankara's ambitions to join the bloc.
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saab
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 01:06 am
Besides from all the serious reasons why Turkey should not join EU
I happened to see a small but maybe still a reason the Turks would not fit into EU.
Winnie the Pooh has been forbidden on Turkeys TV because of Piglet who is a pig as we all know. This shows how far behind they are to the western world.
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Clary
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 10:17 am
I can't believe that in secular Turkey they would do that! Who exactly are They in this case? Just one TV station?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 10:56 am
It was in the papers some time ago ...
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 01:13 pm
Muslims can't eat pork, but what was the relation of the cartoon with that? As I understood it was showing a pig, not pig eaters...
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