Fırst chapter ofQur'an and 19 code.

They say the the early Christians also did the same with numbers in code. 666 if decosed can spell out Nero Caesar, which would culterally make sense as he wa know to really hatwe the early Christians, and therefore would be in many Chritians eyes the anti-Christ.

So do codes prove anything?

Because of God Words contain so secret means.. Before numbers Arabs use letters as a number. So Qur'an use this way too.

But there r many things on normal sentences of Qur'an.. So God open our ways to explore and learn more..

looking back at my post, I should proffread. I can't type worth crap.

You typed "worth crap" perfectly.

Re: Fırst chapter ofQur'an and 19 code.
But one of your prophets says this: ". . . when praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words. . ." (Matthew 6:7)

Babty steps, I must practice.

Was this a "coincidence" from the part of the prophet who NEVER knew how to read and write...

Re: Fırst chapter ofQur'an and 19 code.


It is true for personel prayer when you ask something from God.. So God hear also when we think in our heart. And there is no need speak loudly when pray.

But in formal standart prayer it is provision. For example noon prayer is 4+4+2 actions and we read first passage of Qur'an in all actions. After we open uor hands and ask something (no need to repetition in this personel asking)

Yes it is other good support about Qur'an is God Voice... But we know if you write Qur'an with the stars.. it may be nothing for who don't want to believe.. God never force people.. Because we r human.. Examination is examination..

I want to send about some explanation for 5. verse of prologue as an example what Qur'an means to us. This explanation was written as an practic internal travel at the duration of prayer.

?'' ?'You alone do we worship and from You alone do we seek help.'
Then, when reciting Sura al-Fatiha during the prayers, a question occurred to me in order to inform me of a miracle in the Nun of na?'budu and nasta?'in ([You alone] do we worship [and from You alone] do we seek help).

Why was it not "You alone do I worship and from You alone do I seek help," rather than the first person plural, that is, "We worship You and We seek help from You"?

Suddenly the broad arena of a journey of the imagination opened up through the door of that "Nun" (we). I understood experientially the mighty mystery and vast benefits of praying in congregation, and that this single letter is a miracle, and I actually saw this.

It was as follows:
At that time while performing the prayers in Bayezid Mosque in Istanbul, I said: "You alone do we worship and from You alone do we seek help."
I looked and saw that the congregation in the mosque was saying "Guide us!" the same as me; its members were all participating in my supplication, corroborating it.

Then another veil was drawn back.
I saw that all the mosques in Istanbul had as though become a huge Bayezid Mosque. All their congregations were exclaiming: "You alone do we worship and from You alone do we seek help" like me, setting their seals on my assertions and entreaties, and saying "Amen!" to them. Then within their taking on the form of intercessors for me, a further veil was unfolded in my imagination.


I saw that the World of Islam had assumed the form of a huge mosque, with Mecca and the Ka?'ba as the mihrab. The rows of all the Muslims performing the prayers were in circles facing the sacred mihrab. Saying like me "You alone do we worship and from You alone do we seek help * Guide us..." each was both supplicating in the name of all, and testifying, and affirming it; also making all the others intercessors for himself.


Then, when thinking: "What such a vast community claims could not be wrong and its supplications would not be rejected; it repulses Satanic doubts," and when affirming the vast, self-evident benefits of performing the prayers in congregation, another veil was unfolded.

I saw that the universe and all the varieties of creatures were as though performing the prayers through the tongues of their beings and worshipping in a way particular to each.

Responding with extensive worship to the all-embracing dominicality of the Glorious All-Worshipped One, each group affirmed the testimonies and affirmation of Divine unity of all the others. While observing that this was the case since they all take up positions proving the same result, yet another veil was unfolded.

I saw that just as the universe, the macroanthropos, exclaims: "You alone do we worship and from You alone do we seek help" with the tongue of disposition, and numerous of its parts declare it through the tongue of capacity and innate need, and conscious beings say it verbally, all thus displaying their worship before the Creator's compassionate dominicality; in just the same way, through the silent tongue of need and submission to their Creator's dominicality, all the particles, powers, and senses of my body, like those of all my companions in that vast congregation, each resembling a tiny universe, declared: "You alone do we worship and from You alone do we seek help."

In this way they showed that they were acting in accordance with the Divine will and command and were at every instant in need of their Creator's grace and mercy and assistance. And just as entering through the door of the Nun, I had observed in wonderment both the sacred mystery of performing the prayers in congregation and the beautiful miracle of the Nun, so I went out from it. "All praise be to God!", I exclaimed. Thereafter I became accustomed to reciting the verse, You alone do we worship and from You alone do we seek help on account of those three congregations and those companions, great and small. ?''

BSN 15.rays

In response to the 19 question is this http://www.answering-islam.org/Nehls/Ask/number19.html

No doubt it is not perfect, I think an in depth study was deemed unworthy as it really just appears to be a desperate attempt to find whatever justification can be found in a religion.

You have your beliefs, I respect that and I hope you lead a peaceful and joyous life. Since you brought the subject up and are asking, there are some of us that think the religous types are a bunch of psyco wacko's and no doubt you will have as much luck trying to convince me of religion as I would of convincing you of ....well anything. Have a nice life, seek meaning in the number 19 if thats where you think it is a good idea to spend your time.

Yes I know them too. I only take part of them not completely. True is true..