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Fri 10 Mar, 2006 07:30 pm
Isn't it more crucial to answer this question before we start to ask if our will is free?
What is meant by "we," what is meant by our "will"?
What is meant by "rock you?"
Ray,
I agree. It is a more fundamental question.
For an extreme view about the "myth" of "the unity of self" read Gurdjieff.
"Our personality is formed by many I's
that alternate in the command of our actions.
Most of the times they don't know each other
and usually they have conflicting desires and intentions."
DrewDad wrote:What is meant by "rock you?"
Great

fresco wrote:...read Gurdjieff.
Just looked him up, asleep in dreams; sounds like me
I am the apple pie. I am the walrus.
Fer sure, I agree Ray. Most questions end up bringing us back home to "who am I ?".
Interesting article.
What if Popeye were to change his personality, or become a driver instead of a sailor, or eat carrots instead of spinach. He would still be him, but his personality would change. Would he be what he was? Yes, in that he's the same person, though with different personality. Don't mind me, I'm just typing this to take up time.
If Popeye started eating carrots instead of spinach he would get his ass whupped... and he'd probably see it coming.
Which begs the question, what's so special about spinach? If spinach gives him superstrength, then maybe carrot would give him super eye sight.
fresco wrote:Ray,
I agree. It is a more fundamental question.
For an extreme view about the "myth" of "the unity of self" read Gurdjieff.
"Our personality is formed by many I's
that alternate in the command of our actions.
Most of the times they don't know each other
and usually they have conflicting desires and intentions."
And, I suspect, these many I's are, themselves, formed by many other I's (or whatever). It's all meaningless.
My favourite word:
"i"
It defines who is responsible.
It defines who can make a difference.
It defines who is accountable.
It defines who one must love before one can love another.
and "I"
Which defines God.
Speculation: 6 What are we?
We are the spirits (entities) of God.
God morphed into Us and we continue to create according to God's purpose.
Our physical bodies are simply the means we use to experience and function in the physical dimension.
Speculation: 7 Why are we?
We are for the purpose of gaining knowledge and experience.
In the end, we gravitate back into the Oneness of God allowing for the fulfillment of God.
"We" are the collection of the particles of God. We choose to exist in this particular incarnation or the state of being between incarnations.
"Will" is the ability to choose. We have the ability to "freely" choose what probabilities of paths and circumstances shall befall us as we pursue the goals that we have individually set.