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3 Years for denying Holocaust

 
 
PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:08 pm
Chumly wrote:
old europe wrote:
A pity.

This means we have to take your word that you are an expert analogist?
Lash claims to cover his own ass, Dys claims to use Lash's barking to cover his ass or Lash's, that point is unclear. What is clear however is that they are taking God's mighty words to heart: "Be fruitful and multiply".

My feelings at this point are analogous to ambivalent.


Don't feel bad, Chumly... I was just playing with you. Smile
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:09 pm
No. Your feelings can't be an analogy for ambivalent!!!

Talk to soz. She is the best with analogies.

You'll never get the asses straight at this rate.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:13 pm
Let me sum this up: Dys covering his ass with Lash's barking, Lash covering her ass, while PoetSeductress is playing with Chumly.... What a lovely Tableau Vivant!
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:13 pm
Lash wrote:
No. Your feelings can't be an analogy for ambivalent!!!

Talk to soz. She is the best with analogies.

You'll never get the asses straight at this rate.


Lash, why don't you just bite his head off? Chumly was just expressing his personal feelings, and you completely and cruelly discounted them.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:14 pm
Chumly wrote:
Thomas wrote:
It can be trusted more than its neighbors -- support of Neonazi parties is consistently lower in Germany than in neighboring countries.

I did not know this, how is it quantified / qualified?

Support for parties is easily enough quantified (as opposed to support for values or ideas, for which one needs to rely on contrasting opinion polls and studies of varying quality): through election results.

Mind you, I'm not quite sure whether I agree with Thomas here. Support for far right (xenophobic, anti-immigrant, populist etc) parties has indeed been lower in Germany than in most neighbouring countries. Neonazi parties, specifically, however, are perhaps a different, more particular fruit. An actual neonazi party like the German NPD, which at least on individual state level passed the election threshold, does not really have a clear equivalent elsewhere I dont think ... except for the former Italian MSI, I suppose, but that party renewed (and harmlessified) itself into the National Alliance ...
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:15 pm
3 Years for denying Holocaust
old europe wrote:
Let me sum this up: Dys covering his ass with Lash's barking, Lash covering her ass, while PoetSeductress is playing with Chumly.... What a lovely Tableau Vivant!


I'm feeling bored. I had to do something to lighten things up...
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:18 pm
Re: 3 Years for denying Holocaust
PoetSeductress wrote:
old europe wrote:
Let me sum this up: Dys covering his ass with Lash's barking, Lash covering her ass, while PoetSeductress is playing with Chumly.... What a lovely Tableau Vivant!


I'm feeling bored. I had to do something to lighten things up...


Well, thanks for that! I'll be having weird dreams.....
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:20 pm
Re: 3 Years for denying Holocaust
old europe wrote:
PoetSeductress wrote:
old europe wrote:
Let me sum this up: Dys covering his ass with Lash's barking, Lash covering her ass, while PoetSeductress is playing with Chumly.... What a lovely Tableau Vivant!


I'm feeling bored. I had to do something to lighten things up...


Well, thanks for that! I'll be having wet dreams.....


You'll be having what, old europe?? Laughing
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:27 pm
PoetSeductress wrote:
Lash wrote:
No. Your feelings can't be an analogy for ambivalent!!!

Talk to soz. She is the best with analogies.

You'll never get the asses straight at this rate.


Lash, why don't you just bite his head off? Chumly was just expressing his personal feelings, and you completely and cruelly discounted them.

What freak planet did you squirt out of? You don't have the slightest idea what your talking about, as usual.
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:28 pm
3 Years for denying Holocaust
Lash wrote:
PoetSeductress wrote:
Lash wrote:
No. Your feelings can't be an analogy for ambivalent!!!

Talk to soz. She is the best with analogies.

You'll never get the asses straight at this rate.


Lash, why don't you just bite his head off? Chumly was just expressing his personal feelings, and you completely and cruelly discounted them.

What freak planet did you squirt out of? You don't have the slightest idea what your talking about, as usual.


Prove me wrong, babe.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:30 pm
Who's alter is she?
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 08:35 pm
Re: 3 Years for denying Holocaust
PoetSeductress wrote:
old europe wrote:
PoetSeductress wrote:
old europe wrote:
Let me sum this up: Dys covering his ass with Lash's barking, Lash covering her ass, while PoetSeductress is playing with Chumly.... What a lovely Tableau Vivant!


I'm feeling bored. I had to do something to lighten things up...


Well, thanks for that! I'll be having CORRECTION: weird dreams.....


You'll be having what, old europe?? Laughing


I apologize, old europe. I shouldn't have edited your quote in my previous post. I tried to delete it, but Lash had already posted after me. I hope you have an open-minded sense of humor...
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 09:45 pm
3 Years for denying Holocaust
I will be so glad when A2K's higher power bestows upon me PM privileges...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 12:40 am
Chumly wrote:
Thomas wrote:
It can be trusted more than its neighbors -- support of Neonazi parties is consistently lower in Germany than in neighboring countries.
I did not know this, how is it quantified / qualified?


By the numbers of the offical party members, by the numbers of the (unofficial) supporters of unconstitutional parties (given by the states' and the Federal Offices for the Protection of the Constitution), by the number of votes they get at federal, state and local elections compared to those in neighbouring countries.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 10:27 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Thomas wrote:
It can be trusted more than its neighbors -- support of Neonazi parties is consistently lower in Germany than in neighboring countries.
I did not know this, how is it quantified / qualified?


By the numbers of the offical party members, by the numbers of the (unofficial) supporters of unconstitutional parties (given by the states' and the Federal Offices for the Protection of the Constitution), by the number of votes they get at federal, state and local elections compared to those in neighbouring countries.

Think about it.

Do you think the ones who claim to be "official party members" (Nazis and your garden variety anti-Semite) may grow exponentially when there isn't a law condemning the activity? There is a Big Brother like program, which watches these people's activities, isn't there? What idiot would admit solidarity with neoNazis, knowing the law? I say a distinct minority.

You don't have to be a Nazi to hate Jews and deny the Holocaust.

They are there. You just can't see them, because they are muzzled. This is not because you are in Germany. I believe this fact would exist in any country with the muzzle law, to a degree.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 10:35 am
Lash wrote:
Do you think the ones who claim to be "official party members" (Nazis and your garden variety anti-Semite) may grow exponentially when there isn't a law condemning the activity? There is a Big Brother like program, which watches these people's activities, isn't there? What idiot would admit solidarity with neoNazis, knowing the law? I say a distinct minority.

There currently is no law condemning membership in a Neonazi party, so members have no incentive to lie about who they belong to and whom they vote. This is especially true when the opinion poll and the election are anonymous.

Actually, that was the point of my post that Chumly responded to: If people are free to be Neonazis, it means something when they choose not to be. Admittedly, I wrote this post long ago, but you can read it on page 14.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 10:39 am
Lash wrote:
Think about it.

Do you think the ones who claim to be "official party members" (Nazis and your garden variety anti-Semite) may grow exponentially when there isn't a law condemning the activity? There is a Big Brother like program, which watches these people's activities, isn't there? What idiot would admit solidarity with neoNazis, knowing the law? I say a distinct minority.

You don't have to be a Nazi to hate Jews and deny the Holocaust.

They are there. You just can't see them, because they are muzzled. This is not because you are in Germany. I believe this fact would exist in any country with the muzzle law, to a degree.


You see, Lash, I've quite often thought about it - got even some academic degree for my thinking.

Chumly asked how the support of Nazis is quantified / qualified and your response is ... well, be assured that my work as a social worker with Nazi groups plus my 'activities' with our state's police in addition to the above noted gave me at least a better insight than you have.

Nazi parties are not forbidden per se - showing Nazi enblems, signs, flags etc from the NSDAP is as well as having a program which is against our constitution. (I think Thomas noted it already: we had some members of different Nazi parties elected in some state's paliaments, there are still in some municipies.

Besides, membership in a party isn't the same like registered in the USA: political parties need members (for various reasons, especially their finances), so it really is a (one of several) measure of support.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 10:40 am
Didn't see Thomas' response when answering.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 10:46 am
Thomas, my mistake in my explanation. I take too many verbal shortcuts, and I understand how anyone could think I meant there was a law against membership in the Nazi party. I'd already had this conversation with Walter earlier.

I'm trying to communicate the fact that since there is a law against denial of the Holocaust and other similar statements, membership in the Nazi party is walking a tightrope. I would believe, if I were a Nazi, that my public memberhip in that party would make me suspect, and I'd be watched by the government.

If I were a Nazi, because of the law, my affiliation, support and sentiments would be secret.

I think a lot of other people would do the same.

This is how the law affects the numbers of those publicly admitting anti-semitism and/or allegience with Nazis.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 10:47 am
Lash wrote:
They are there. You just can't see them, because they are muzzled. This is not because you are in Germany. I believe this fact would exist in any country with the muzzle law, to a degree.
Even without such laws I find it very difficult to believe one can predict what people will do when push comes to shove.
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