Hazlitt
How does AA instill the desire to learn in people? In many ways it can be seen as a crutch rather than an enabler. Was it necessary? Yes, To give people that needed leg up. At his point all of the tools are in place and it is time for people to stand on their own two feet. To succeed or fail based upon their own abilities or shortcomings. Success is something that cannot be given to people it must be earned to be appreciated.
I think California is rethinking it's laws on AA. c.i.
i believe it was last friday night on PBS NEWS HOUR when i heard the comment that California has dropped from Number 1 in the nation for higher education to close to the bottom.
AU, AA does not instill the desire for education. It provides the opportunity once the desire has arisen. It provides the opportunity to stand on one's own two feet once the desire to do so has come to the forefront.
Au, we've probably butted heads long enough. I respect your line of thought although I disagree, but this is nothing new under the sun. I will, however, allow you the last word, if you feel you must have it (Of course, if you call me an idiot...).
Hazlitt
No last words needed. Disagreement is the key to learning.
Bravo, gentlemen - you make me proud to be a member of A2K.
snood wrote:Bravo, gentlemen - you make me proud to be a member of A2K.
Didn't you see my post on the previous page? I want to be included, please! It won't hurt you, honest! :wink:
Just read through the last few posts...my opinion, instilling the desire for education must begin at home, AND some support system like AA must also be in place for those who strive for better without the support. The system is what it is, for better or worse, and in a democracy, in theory, we make efforts to understand each other, and help out the best we can, however imperfect, from the community level up to the highest levels of government.
cavfancier wrote:...my opinion, instilling the desire for education must begin at home, AND some support system like AA must also be in place...
Agreed that AA must also be in place for as long as it takes and, regretfully, that time has not yet come...
sweetcomplication wrote:cavfancier wrote:...my opinion, instilling the desire for education must begin at home, AND some support system like AA must also be in place...
Agreed that AA must also be in place for as long as it takes and, regretfully, that time has not yet come...
When do you think
that time will have come? How will we know? What measures will show it?
How about when, for starters, legacy students, wealthy students etc have no more pull than people of color do? How about when this has been exposed to the public at large? How about when people really are judged by the content of their character? How about when white-skin privilege is acknowledged (oops, can't go too far - I get spammed all to hell if I try to address that one!)?
Your mixing race with class. Rich students and legacy students have preference over EVERYONE, not just people of color.
sweetcomplication wrote:How about when, for starters, legacy students, wealthy students etc have no more pull than people of color do? How about when this has been exposed to the public at large? How about when people really are judged by the content of their character? How about when white-skin privilege is acknowledged (oops, can't go too far - I get spammed all to hell if I try to address that one!)?
Regarding "legacy students" -- I'm unclear about what your complaint is? Define "legacy student" for me, and then tell me why it is a bad thing.
Scrat:
legacy student: one who is helped into not just college but also jobs etc. by virtue of either one or both of their parents (ie "legacy"). IMHO, that is a bad thing because, up until now at least, a good example would be Dubya who was born on 3rd base and still thinks he hit a triple!
McGentrix wrote:Your mixing race with class. Rich students and legacy students have preference over EVERYONE, not just people of color.
McG: you do have a point there, but this country has such a history of active hatred against people of color that I believe that rises above simply the class issue. Can you see my point?
Yes I can see your point, but if donating a wing to the library or a new computer center or dormatory will no longer guarantee placement of your kid, then I would hate to see those things trail off as that will raise tuitions and taxes to pay for those things.
I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is. I went to a state school because I couldn't afford a more expensive school. I didn't see a glaring absence of colored people, and this is in an area that has a less than average number of minorities to begin with.
What color were the "colored" people?
snood wrote:What color were the "colored" people?
Most were blue, but we had a few paisleys mixed in.
