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Fri 3 Feb, 2006 05:34 pm
Noble Quran, Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),"
ABROGATED:
Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran Commands the Muslims to free their slaves if the slaves want to be free, and to pay them money too so they can have a good jump start in life. In the Bible on the other hand, we see slaves not being allowed to be freed at all. Not only that, but they and their children must be inherited as slaves forever.
Please visit: Human equality and freedom in Islam Vs the Bible.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm
"Thou Shalt not kill" -- OR-- "Kill all the children and non-virgin women!"
One of the Bible's 10 basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13)." Yet, we see GOD Almighty Commanding His servants to not only kill the enemy's men, but also the innocent children and non-virgin women who have not done anything to anyone:
1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"
If Exodus 20:13 was supposed to be the basic pillar that prevents the Bible followers from committing murders against innocent people, then how are Numbers 31:17-18 and 1 Samuel 15:2-4 justified then when GOD Almighty Himself nullified His own Commands and decided to kill innocent children and virgin girls perhaps by the thousands?
It is most ironic that GOD Almighty prohibited ordinary murders but supposedly allowed massacres to be done by the mass!!
No, the Quran is perfect and can never be abrogated.
6:34
There is none to alter the decisions of Allah.
6:115
Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words.
10:64
There is no changing the Words of Allah.
18:27
And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words.
Yes, some verses have been abrogated.
2:106
Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof.
16:101
And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.
NOPE, HERE IS THE REAL VERSE WHICH WAS "NOT" TWISTED TO YOUR BENEFIT:
Irrefutable samples where GOD Almighty Changed His Mind in the Bible:
Christians often object to Allah Almighty's Divine Command in the Noble Quran for substituting His previous Divine Revelations with the Noble Quran, and for substituting some of the Divine temporary Commands that He Revealed in the Noble Quran for specific situations with newer ones:
"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that God Hath power over all things? (The Noble Quran, 2:106)"
"We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. (The Noble Quran, 5:45)"
Also, we must not forget that the biggest blood sheds and terrorism that took place throughout the world happened by Christians. World Wars I and II prove this. The white Christian race would literally wipe out nations out of the face of the earth if their interests are threatened.
We also must not forget about the African slaves who were forcefully brought to the US by the Europeans and were forced to embrace the polytheist trinitarian pagan christianity to at least earn their freedom.
Last and most definitely not least, we must not forget about the Native Americans (Red Indians) and how the white Christian man literally killed more than 90% of their population throughout the lands.
mesquite wrote:No, the Quran is perfect and can never be abrogated.
6:34
There is none to alter the decisions of Allah.
6:115
Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words.
10:64
There is no changing the Words of Allah.
18:27
And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words.
Yes, some verses have been abrogated.
2:106
Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof.
16:101
And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.
HERE IS THE SECOND VERSE WHICH YOU LIED ABOUT:
"2:106
Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof."
HERE IS WHAT IT REALLY SAYS:
[016:101] When We substitute one revelation for another,- and God knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
mesquite wrote:No, the Quran is perfect and can never be abrogated.
6:34
There is none to alter the decisions of Allah.
6:115
Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words.
10:64
There is no changing the Words of Allah.
18:27
And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words.
Yes, some verses have been abrogated.
2:106
Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof.
16:101
And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.
NOTICE HOW U PUT: (NOT EVEN A SINGLE VERSE)
LOL, LOOK AGAIN, WHAT YOU WROTE:
2:106
Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof.
WHAT THE QURAN SAYS:
"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that God Hath power over all things? (The Noble Quran, 2:106)"
WHERE DO U SEE "(NOT EVEN A SINGLE VERSE)"? AND ALSO WHERE IS THE REST OF THE VERSE WHICH SAYS: "Knowest thou not that God Hath power over all things?"
SO WHEN YOU LIE LIKE THIS, HOW DO U EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD UR SAYING?
GOD prohibiting brothers from marrying their biological sisters after He initially allowed it for Abraham and Sarah:
"And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"
Yet, GOD never prohibited Abraham from marrying his own biological sister, Sarah!
So, Deuteronomy 27:22 is indeed an abrogation to the previous Law!
It is important to know that in the same book of Genesis, GOD Almighty did Speak directly with Abraham. For instance:
Genesis 12:1-3
1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
Abrogation in Adultery punishment in the Bible!
According to the Mosaic Law, the punishment for adultery and coveting your neighbor's wife is death:
"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman MUST DIE. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:22)"
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"
"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 20:17)"
Let us now look at what David did with his neighbor's wife in the Bible:
"One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the WIFE of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Samuel 11:2-4)"
Here is how David was punished!
2 Samuel 12:7-8
7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man! This is what the LORD , the God of Israel, says: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul.
8 I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
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2 Samuel 12:12-14
12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "
13 Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD ." Nathan replied, "The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die.
14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die."
How come David wasn't Commanded to be put to death by GOD Almighty? Instead, the child died instead of David. I wonder how the missionaries would've barked about this story if it were in the Noble Quran instead of their X-Rated Pornographic Bible, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and brothers can "suck" their sisters' and lovers' privates.
The Noble Quran WOULD'VE been "wrong" if Prophet Muhammad INSTEAD was forgiven from such sin!
By the way, our beloved and blessed Prophet NEVER EVER committed any such or similar sin!
And so they went forth, one mass of people with one book of their truth, and another mass of people with another book of their truth, they went forth. And all were immersed in the knowledge that each had the true way, yet it was not so. It couldn't be. There is no question that contains the phrase "how many truths are there?"
These imaginings, these legends and myths written down, have killed more people more than they have saved. killed more people than hate. How is that possible? That the two great philosophies of Love have spent more blood in their names than holiness or glory or peace.
Stop. Just stop.
Reenter reality in all it's glory and let all that other go. The lowest human who knows he is human and alone in this existence is more human and more real than the billions of delusionary believers who grasp at imaginary things and think them real.
Islam vs the Bible-- an exercise in the competition of the illusory. Just stop before you kill us all.
Joe
Christians abrogating the Bible:
Eating swine while it is prohibited in the Bible.
"And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you. (Leviticus 11:7-8)"
There goes your Christmas and Easter ham and pork.
It amazes me how the polytheist trinitarian pagan christians are the world's biggest consumers of pork meat!
Talk about respecting GOD Almighty and obeying His Divine Will!
if the polytheist trinitarian pagans EAT PORK because it is not prohibited in the NT, then SHOULDN'T that also allow for them to start marrying their own siblings (brothers and sisters) or their nieces and nephews, OR EVEN THEIR OWN PARENTS??
I mean, who's really to say no if the NT doesn't prohibit it!!
HECK, they're now allowing for men to marry men and women to marry women!
What's next? Marry your own dog because the New Testament doesn't say no?!
You think some christians wouldn't do it?
Quote:if the polytheist trinitarian pagans EAT PORK because it is not prohibited in the NT, then SHOULDN'T that also allow for them to start marrying their own siblings (brothers and sisters) or their nieces and nephews, OR EVEN THEIR OWN PARENTS??
Yeah. This makes sense, not. Are you supposed to be reaching out by these words??? Oh, and don't forget the lobsters.
Just stop. Where is the love?