Jesus admitted that he is a prophet!

Say, Bubba, while your here, can you explain to me why do you jokers revere an ignorant, illiterate old f*cker who raped a little girl?

Nothing new under the sun.

In (John 17:3) J. declared the truth:

"...that they may know You, THE ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."

He didnt say that they may know the trinity or may know us, or any indication to multiple gods. He only mentioned God as the only true one, what more?

If this is what J. said, do you believe him?

And when he talked about himself, he considered himself as a prophet who was sent from God, not a a god who has a freewill to do what he likes.

He said in (John 8:26-29):

".... But He Who sent me is Reliable, and what i have heard from Him I tell the world ... and that i do nothing on my own but speak just what the father has taught me. The One Who sent me is with me, He has not left me alone, for i always do what pleases Him."

I think that if you thought deeply in this quote you will find the truth by yourself, but i will try to help u.

From this quote we can conclude that J. doesnt have a freewill to say to the people what he wants, but rather what God wants him to say. And this is the mission of prophets: "to convey God's message to the world".

That's why he used to say "who sent me", gods dont send each other, God sends humans or angels or any of His creatures.

As in the quote mentioned above, Jesus affirmed that he did nothing on his own but spoke JUST what God taught him.

I think that this sentence tells everything, J. couldnt say a word on his own but only what God taught him.

Even the word "taught" that Jesus used has many implications, god doesnt need to be taught, he should know everything. Who needs to be taught? Humans or creatures in general.

God teaches not be taught.

If you applied God's characteristics on Jesus and applied them on J., the notion of divinity wont be applicable on him.

Instead Humans' characteristics could be easily applied on him.

So J. is a human prophet not a god.

Or what do you think?

Setanta, i dont answer dirty members!

It's your prophet he's asking about, so answer the question.

SETI is quite clean (unless you have knowledge others don't have)

The one thing I have noticed about Beduins is that you can smell them coming 2 weeks ahead.

Re: Jesus admitted that he is a prophet!


56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59Then took they up stones to cast at him

Apparently the Jews who heard him plainly understood his claim to be God as He referred to Himself as 'I AM' . It is evident that they understood His claim to pre-existence and His use of the divine title because they tried to stone Him.

(compare with Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.)

Well, Jeeze, Boss . . . it ain't like they have much of chance to shower out there in the desert . . . cut 'em some slack . . .

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So, PPatience, you didn't answer my question: Why do you folks revere an illiterate lecher who married and raped a little girl? That doesn't speak too highly of your moral concepts or judgment . . .

I don't know ... but I'm pretty sure he's got fleas!

Anon

Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind. (WHAT DO YOU THINK THOSE YOUNG DAUGHTHERS OF THE MEN THAT DIED AT WARS HAD TO DO IF THEY WERE POOR? THEY HAD TO GO OUT AND SELL THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO OTHER SUPPORT, AS YOU KNOW WOMEN DIDNT WORK BACK THEN LIKE MEN DID. ITS EVEN HAPPENING TODAY IN COUNTRIES SUCH AS ROMANIA, FATHERS ARE SELLING THEIR YOUNG DAUGHTERS INTO PROSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO FEED THEMSELVES AND THE KID!

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then! And another reason, if he was a pedophile then how come his first wife Khadijah was 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM? When he was 25 and she was 50! SHE WAS A WIDOW! AND HOWCOME HIS OTHER WIFE MAIMOONA WAS 50 YEARS OLD? AGAIN A WIDOW! HOW COME MOST OF HIS WIVES WERE WIDOWS AND OLDER? Certainly if he wished he could've had any beautiful young girl he wanted! When he became prophet, and the parents would've gave their girls to Mohammad anytime he wished. He became famous and powerful, so why did he choose to marry widows, and women that were in need of financial help, rather than young beautiful girls if his aim was only lust and pleasure? This is where; multiple marriages (up to 4 wives) in Islam stands to be justified. It was meant so that single mothers and their young daughters wouldn't have to prostitute themselves.

(ALSO WOMEN'S POPULATION ARE MORE THAN THAT OF MEN'S, FOR EVERY 1 MAN THERES 4 WOMEN, AND WOMEN HAVE A LONGER LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN MEN, GOD ALMIGHTY KNEW THIS 1400 YEARS AGO!)
IF PEOPLE FOLLOWED THE TRUE ISLAMIC LAWS OF THE HOLY QURAN, AND IF A MAN WHO WAS "FIANCIALLY ABLE" MARRIED UP TO FOUR WIVES TO SUPPORT THEM, THEN PROSTITUTION WOULDNT EXIST TODAY, OR TO SAY THE LEAST WOULDVE BEEN WAYYYY LESS. AND CERTAINLY MEN WOULDNT COMMIT ADULTERY BEHIND THEIR WIVES. (Men have higher sexual desires than women, that's why you see men cheating more than women) this system if worked properly according to the Quran would've been so much helpful.

(Remember the Quran never says a man has to marry more than one wife; it says that if the man thinks that he cannot treat all the wives equally then he should marry only "ONE")


prostitution of women is in its highest rate even in the greatest world power: the US OF A, so many single mothers in the US are forced into prostitution because their so called "husbands" desert them after taking advantage of them leaving behind bastardized children. It's happening way more obviously in poorer countries, its happening even more than it was before. So then why didn't Mohammad not leave any of his wives if his goal with them was only lust? at a time when all other Arab men used to get drunk and commit adultery and rape women, why did prophet Mohammad stayed committed to his wives?



BUT AGAIN MOST MUSLIM MEN TODAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION AND MARRY ONLY FOR PLEASURE AND ONLY FOR LUST, THESE ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIMS, THESE MEN ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION, THEY WILL BURN IN HELLFIRE. AND THATS HOW MISSIONARY RATS USE THIS TO TRASH THIS BEAUTIFUL RELIGION, AND ALSO POLYGAMMY WASNT INVENTED IN ISLAM, MANY PROPHETS BEFORE MOHAMMAD IN BIBLICAL TIMES HAD HUNDARADS OF WIVES, IT WAS ALLOWED UP TO THE 1700S UNTIL PRIESTS FORBADE IT SEEING HOW MEN WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE. WHEN ISLAM ARRIVED IT FIXED THE CORRUPT SYSTEM

(Now some may argue and say that even the system in the Quran is corrupted, because if men can marry more than one, then why cant woman?)


MY RESPONSE: science has proven that although both men and women are the same but they're different in how they think. One example is that men tend to make important decisions by mostly using their thoughts, based on knowledge; on the other hand women tend to make important decisions mostly based on their emotional feelings. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE DO NOT HAVE AN AMERICAN FEMALE PRESIDENT, because for such a country to succeed it would need a cold blooded murderer such as George w bush, and if a woman was president instead of him, she would've made most of her decisions based on her feelings, and she would've most likely felt sorry for the children of Iraq. But perhaps, in the new coming election, Lady Hillary Clinton might have a chance, since before her George w bush sucked enough oil out of Iraq to last them a century.

IM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMAN, I AM JUST SAYING, THAT: "WE ARE THE SAME, YET WE ARE DIFFRERNT"


SO IMAGINE IF A WOMAN WAS ALLOWED TO MARRY UP TO FOUR MEN! THIS SYSTEM AND WAY OF LIFE WOULDVE NEVER WORKED, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE WOMAN WOULDVE MADE MOST OF HER IMPORTANT LIFE DESISIONS BASED ON HER EMOTIONS. A WOMAN'S BRAIN WORKS DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF A MAN, A TRULY COMMITED WOMAN CANNOT MADLY FALL INLOVE WIITH MORE THAN ONE MAN, WHILE GOD MADE MEN DIFFERENT SO THAT THEY CAN LOVE MORE THAN ONE WOMAN, SO THAT THEY CAN EMBRACE THEM UNDER THEIR ARMS, AND CHERISH AND LOVE AND PROTECT THEM.


That is why in the Quran it's mentioned that when a woman wants to make an important life decision her father or an older brother or an uncle should be with her to guide her.




But Look at Muslim countries now, they're making Islam look bad, by marrying different wives for only pleasure, it was never meant to be that way, it was meant to support the woman and her kids financially. Mohammad was a true follower of Islam, he never married for pleasure, besides its not like Mohammad rode on a white horse snatching her away. He married her, by her parent's permission. And it was after she went through puberty; she was mature as I explained above. The so called "pedophilia" in the Quran is way different than the pedophilia in the man corrupted bible.

Important Note: Please pay attention toward the end of this article to the Virgin Mary's (peace be upon her) age. According to Christian resources, Mary was 12-14 when she had Jesus. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past. You will also see a section on the Prophets of the Bible who married hundreds of wives and some had even slept with their neighbor's wives and some had exposed their wives in the most disgusting PORNOGRAPHIC way to the entire world in the Bible. You will also see my response to the missionaries' argument: "Jesus never got married, so therefore Muhammad is not truthful".

Every time the Muslims talk about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to the anti-Islamic, the anti-Islamic use Muhammad's marriage with a girl named Aisha as a point against Islam. They claim that since Muhammad was in his 50's and Aisha was only 9 years old, then its ok to call him a "Child Molester":

Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"

Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage. This is further elaborated on in the "The Middle Eastern and other Cultures" and "What about Aisha's parents (mon and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?" and "The life span 1400 years ago was very short" sections below in this article.

The "child molester" charge is a terrible unfair attack on Islam because it doesn't apply to our beloved prophet in anyway!

But still, she is considered a child in our standards today!

Well, a lot of the things we do today are not right in the eyes of many. Our "standards" today mean nothing to what took place 1400 years ago. Today, anyone under 18 years old is considered a "child", a baby still under his mommy's and daddy's care. Back then on the other hand, people who reached the age of 18 were considered wise and very mature.

Let me share this Islamic story with you:

There is a famous Islamic figure called "Osama bin Zayd (or Zaid)". I was told that this man was once a leader or one of the leaders of the Muslims who met the Roman Christians. He defeated them. He was only 16 to 18 years old.

So the point is, Aisha, peace be upon her, might look as child to you, but back then she certainly was considered as "woman" who was qualified for marriage.



The following articles contain more proofs:


From http://ismaili.net/histoire/history03/history333.html: (bold, color and underline emphesis below are mine)

Osama bin Zaid
At about the middle of the month of Safar, in the 11th A.H., on Monday, Muhammad ordered his followers to make speedy preparations for an expedition against the people of Mauta in the Byzantine territory, and the sources go to say, to avenge the massacre of the soldiers, who had fallen in recent skirmishes. The next day, on Tuesday he appointed Osama to the command of the army. Osama was the son of Zaid bin Harith, who had been slain at Mauta, and was a youth of 17 or 18 years. On Wednesday, a violent inroad of headache and fever seized Muhammad, but the next morning of Thursday, he found himself sufficiently recovered to prepare a flag-staff, with his own hands, which he made over to Osama. The camp was then erected at Jorf, three miles from Medina on the route to Syria. He ordered all his followers at Medina to join it at once, not excepting even the renowned companions to join it at once. Only Ali, who was required to remain with him at Medina, was exempted. The malady, although gaining ground, did not confine Muhammad entirely to his house. He used to move into the mosque, through the door of his apartment, to lead the prayers. After about a week of his summoning the men to the Syrian expedition under Osama, he perceived that the progress to join the camp at Jorf was very slow and poor, therefore, he once again addressed the people to join the Syrian expedition. The sickness of Muhammad was increasing every day, and the Syrian expedition, weighed upon his mind, and continued saying to those around him, "Send off quickly the army of Osama." According to the Shiites, Muhammad was really reprimanding his companions for not joining the expeditionary force. Knowing that Muhammad's end was near, the companions were reluctant to leave Medina at such a critical time and fearful that, if they absented themselves, Ali might step uncontested. In sum, the army of Osama could not depart from Medina during the time of Muhammad.

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From http://www.dawn.com/2003/08/22/fea.htm: (bold, color and underline emphesis below are mine)

"...Assuming the responsibilities of the caliphate he was confronted with the problems that some of the tribes who had already embraced Islam broke off, many tribes declined to pay Zakat and false prophets emerged to take advantage of the situation. Hazrat Ayesha (RA) at this is reported to have uttered that the problems faced by my father if had befallen on Jibal-ur- Rasiat it would have shattered. However, credit goes to him who with courage and resolution overcame them.

His first priority was to dispatch the expedition to Syria under the command of Osama bin Zaid originally ordered by the Holy Prophet but delayed due to his (SAW) death. It was a critical juncture for him. In the wake of alarming condition he was advised not to send, but he did not yield and without hesitation dispatched it in order to execute the wishes of the Holy Prophet. He was so much concerned that he himself came out of Madina to see the expedition off which soon returned graced by victory. It boosted the morale of the Muslims very much...."

Was Muhammad a pedophile?

The following is an email sent to me by brother Amir Abdul Rahim; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Was Muhammad a child molester?
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:37:17 +0000 (GMT)

Assalamu Alaikum Wr Wb

The discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha has recently come up on a muslim message board, with the usual cries of 'Muhammad was a pedophile' coming from the usual anti-Islam lobby.

In order to answer this filthy slander, I went to a police website detailing the traits of a pedophile, and this is what I came up with. It seems that, even by today's standards, Muhammad could not be considered a pedophile.

Please feel free to use or edit this text in any way you like.

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Okay, lets have a look at the psyche of a typical pedophile, and see how much of it fits Muhammad shall we? Quoted text is taken from Understanding the Pedophile Psyche, courtesy of the Police Federation of England & Wales:

http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm

"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."

As well as being married to Aisha, he was also married to many other women during his life. He wasn't certainly suffering from low self-esteem. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."

As has been mentioned before, Muhammad waited for at least two years before consummating the marriage. Therefore, this point of 'lack of self control' does not apply to Muhammad. Also, fasting during Ramadan requires abstention from sexual relations. Why would Muhammad practise this if he had no self-control?

"Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."

Muhammad never once denied having sex with his wife. Also note the use of the term 'victim'. Aisha could not be described as a victim. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."

Muhammad has no history of pedophile activity whatsoever. Also, as I pointed out, all of Muhammad's other wives were adult, and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children. Therefore, this doesn't apply to Muhammad.

"Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."

Although he was orphaned at a young age, Muhammad was always very close to all his family members, and advocated that whosoever cuts the bond of kith and kin, he/she would be denied paradise. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."

Despite being illiterate, Muhammad had a reputation for being a very bright young boy, an excellent trader, and an extremely wise man. Therefore, this point does not apply to Muhammad.

"Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."

Muhammad wasn't suffering from depression when he married Aisha. Also, low self-esteem, loneliness, and difficulty to establish relations could not be attributed to Muhammad.

"Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."

This certainly isn't true.

I have demonstrated that, despite the fact Muhammad married a nine-year old girl, he could NOT be considered a pedophile.

What about Mary, Jesus' Mother peace be upon both of them? How old was she when she got pregnant?

Not only was it a custom in the Arab society to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. The case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus. Mary had already been "BETHROED" to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man. therefore Mary was younger than 11-14 years of age when she was "BETHROED" to Joseph. We Muslims would never call Joseph a Child Molester, nor would we refer to the "Holy Ghost" of the Bible, that "Impregnated" Mary as a "Rapist" or "Adulterer".

This paragraph was sent to me by brother Mike, who embraced Islam recently; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary's Husband is believed to be around 36. Mary was only 13 when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old."

According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.

So if I want to be as silly and ridiculous as many of the Christians, I would respond to them by saying that Mary was psychologically and emotionally devastated for getting pregnant at a very young age. And speaking of "child molesting", since most Christians believe that Jesus is the Creator of this universe, then why did GOD allow himself to enter life through a 12-year old young girl's vagina? Please note that we Muslims love and respect Allah Almighty, Mary, Jesus and Allah's Message to the People of the Book (The Jews and Christians). In other words, we Muslims would never make fun of Christianity through such childish topic like this one as many ridiculous Christians do make fun of Islam through our Prophet's (peace be upon him) marriage.

What about the X-Rated Pornography in the Bible?

When we read the Bible, we learn about some weird pornographic teachings that are certainly not appropriate for anyone with morals to read. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible to see the many pornographic verses in the Bible. You will read for instance, about Solomon's wife's vagina tastes like wine for him!

You will also see examples of Prophets sleeping with their neighbor's wives, such as the following:

David watches a women bathe, likes what he sees, and "goes in unto her." Let us look at 2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home." This Holy Figure in the Bible is a pervert!.

So what happened to "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"????

How come Leviticus 20:10 was compromised in the Bible and was never applied to King David?! Didn't King David know about this law? Yet, the Jews use his star as their holy symbol; the David Star, and the Christians call Jesus his son; "Son of David".

It seems to me quite clearly that the Bible is nothing but a compromised corrupted Book as Jeremiah 8:8, 2 Samuel 11:2-4 and Leviticus 20:10 suggest.

If the strong eats the weak in the Bible, then what moral and wisdom are we to learn from this book?

Jeez, these religious threads make the political ones look like good, clean fun...