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TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE

 
 
ali87
 
Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 11:20 pm
Terrorism in Islam?!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/islam_and_terrorism.htm

Let's look at the real terrorism in the Bible:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

Pedophilia with 3-year old slave girls in the Bible!
Forcing 3-year old slave girls into sex during the Mosaic Law in the Bible!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

Terror in the Bible by a number of Prophets!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/terrorinthebible.htm

Pregnant women will be ripped open!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/pregnant_women_ripped_open.htm

The NT punishes children with death!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/killing_children_honored_in_nt.htm

Terrorism: "kill all the boys and non-virgin women"!
Also under the Mosaic Law!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

Another killing all men, women, children and animals by Moses!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/right_hand_possession.htm#real_terrorism

Another taking all women and children as spoils of war by Moses!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/right_hand_possession.htm#real_terrorism

Moses was a murderer before he became a Prophet!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_not_murderer.htm#moses_murderer

Killing all of the "suckling infants" by the thousands by Saul!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

Dashing little children against rocks in the book of Psalm!
Praising the dashing of little children against rocks as a form of revenge!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

42 innocent children were killed using Wild Bears by Prophet Elisha!
Prophet Muhammad on the other hand loved children even those who threw stones at him in the city of Al-Ta'if.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_not_murderer.htm

Both equal: "Kill Righteous and the wicked"!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_not_murderer.htm#kill_righteous

Maiming of the enemies' bodies under Moses' and David's Laws:
Cutting the hands and feet of the enemies in the Bible, and hanging their alive bodies on trees until they DIE.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_not_murderer.htm

David's Selective Murders!
David so carelessly killed an innocent man for only telling him news.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/jochen_preposterous_lies.htm

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible, by King Solomon!
Literally, women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and brothers can "suck" their sisters' and lovers' privates!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm


Fathers' fingers into their daughters' vaginas!
Under the Mosaic Law, fathers were allowed to do "Digital Defloration" to their daughters.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

Shutting the loud mouths of those who unjustly attack Islam, with Truth.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 12:24 am
Re: TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE
ali87 wrote:


Shutting the loud mouths of those who unjustly attack Islam, with Truth.


Too bad you weren't around to shut Mohammed's mouth before he said "I do," and married a six year old girl.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 01:55 am
If you really want to get a bite real life, paste a cartoon of Mohammed here.
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ali87
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:07 pm
Re: TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:


Shutting the loud mouths of those who unjustly attack Islam, with Truth.


Too bad you weren't around to shut Mohammed's mouth before he said "I do," and married a six year old girl.




MY RESPONSE:

Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind. (WHAT DO YOU THINK THOSE YOUNG DAUGHTHERS OF THE MEN THAT DIED AT WARS HAD TO DO IF THEY WERE POOR? THEY HAD TO GO OUT AND SELL THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO OTHER SUPPORT, AS YOU KNOW WOMEN DIDNT WORK BACK THEN LIKE MEN DID. ITS EVEN HAPPENING TODAY IN COUNTRIES SUCH AS ROMANIA, FATHERS ARE SELLING THEIR YOUNG DAUGHTERS INTO PROSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO FEED THEMSELVES AND THE KID!

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then! And another reason, if he was a pedophile then how come his first wife Khadijah was 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM? When he was 25 and she was 50! SHE WAS A WIDOW! AND HOWCOME HIS OTHER WIFE MAIMOONA WAS 50 YEARS OLD? AGAIN A WIDOW! HOW COME MOST OF HIS WIVES WERE WIDOWS AND OLDER? Certainly if he wished he could've had any beautiful young girl he wanted! When he became prophet, and the parents would've gave their girls to Mohammad anytime he wished. He became famous and powerful, so why did he choose to marry widows, and women that were in need of financial help, rather than young beautiful girls if his aim was only lust and pleasure? This is where; multiple marriages (up to 4 wives) in Islam stands to be justified. It was meant so that single mothers and their young daughters wouldn't have to prostitute themselves.

(ALSO WOMEN'S POPULATION ARE MORE THAN THAT OF MEN'S, FOR EVERY 1 MAN THERES 4 WOMEN, AND WOMEN HAVE A LONGER LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN MEN, GOD ALMIGHTY KNEW THIS 1400 YEARS AGO!)
IF PEOPLE FOLLOWED THE TRUE ISLAMIC LAWS OF THE HOLY QURAN, AND IF A MAN WHO WAS "FIANCIALLY ABLE" MARRIED UP TO FOUR WIVES TO SUPPORT THEM, THEN PROSTITUTION WOULDNT EXIST TODAY, OR TO SAY THE LEAST WOULDVE BEEN WAYYYY LESS. AND CERTAINLY MEN WOULDNT COMMIT ADULTERY BEHIND THEIR WIVES. (Men have higher sexual desires than women, that's why you see men cheating more than women) this system if worked properly according to the Quran would've been so much helpful.

(Remember the Quran never says a man has to marry more than one wife; it says that if the man thinks that he cannot treat all the wives equally then he should marry only "ONE")


prostitution of women is in its highest rate even in the greatest world power: the US OF A, so many single mothers in the US are forced into prostitution because their so called "husbands" desert them after taking advantage of them leaving behind bastardized children. It's happening way more obviously in poorer countries, its happening even more than it was before. So then why didn't Mohammad not leave any of his wives if his goal with them was only lust? at a time when all other Arab men used to get drunk and commit adultery and rape women, why did prophet Mohammad stayed committed to his wives?



BUT AGAIN MOST MUSLIM MEN TODAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION AND MARRY ONLY FOR PLEASURE AND ONLY FOR LUST, THESE ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIMS, THESE MEN ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION, THEY WILL BURN IN HELLFIRE. AND THATS HOW MISSIONARY RATS USE THIS TO TRASH THIS BEAUTIFUL RELIGION, AND ALSO POLYGAMMY WASNT INVENTED IN ISLAM, MANY PROPHETS BEFORE MOHAMMAD IN BIBLICAL TIMES HAD HUNDARADS OF WIVES, IT WAS ALLOWED UP TO THE 1700S UNTIL PRIESTS FORBADE IT SEEING HOW MEN WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE. WHEN ISLAM ARRIVED IT FIXED THE CORRUPT SYSTEM

(Now some may argue and say that even the system in the Quran is corrupted, because if men can marry more than one, then why cant woman?)


MY RESPONSE: science has proven that although both men and women are the same but they're different in how they think. One example is that men tend to make important decisions by mostly using their thoughts, based on knowledge; on the other hand women tend to make important decisions mostly based on their emotional feelings. THAT IS ONE MAIN REASON WHY WE DO NOT HAVE AN AMERICAN FEMALE PRESIDENT, because for such a country to succeed it would need a cold blooded murder such as George w bush, and if a woman was president instead of him, she would've made most of her decisions based on her feelings, and she would've most likely felt sorry for the children of Iraq.

IM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMAN, I AM JUST SAYING, THAT: "WE ARE THE SAME, YET WE ARE DIFFRERNT"


SO IMAGINE IF A WOMAN WAS ALLOWED TO MARRY UP TO FOUR MEN! THIS SYSTEM AND WAY OF LIFE WOULDVE NEVER WORKED, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE WOMAN WOULDVE MADE MOST OF HER IMPORTANT LIFE DESISIONS BASED ON HER EMOTIONS. That is why in the Quran it's mentioned that when a woman wants to make an important life decision her father or an older brother or an uncle should be with her to guide her.




But Look at Muslim countries now, they're making Islam look bad, by marrying different wives for only pleasure, it was never meant to be that way, it was meant to support the woman and her kids financially. Mohammad was a true follower of Islam, he never married for pleasure, besides its not like Mohammad rode on a white horse snatching her away. He married her, by her parent's permission. And it was after she went through puberty; she was mature as I explained above. The so called "pedophilia" in the Quran is way different than the pedophilia in the man corrupted bible.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:41 pm
I am beginning to think maybe the crusades weren't such a bad idea.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 09:04 pm
Yes, the expression "The worst advertisement for Christianity is the Christians" would certainly adapt nicely to this environment Doktor S ?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 09:29 pm
Speaking honestly, I must say I held the average islamic in much higher regard before I started reading the A2K muslim contingent.

They are, in a marketting sense, their own worst enemy..as eorl so aptly pointed out
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 09:31 pm
Doktor S wrote:
I am beginning to think maybe the crusades weren't such a bad idea.


Heeheehee..that's good stuff...
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 11:06 pm
Re: TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE
ali87 wrote:
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:


Shutting the loud mouths of those who unjustly attack Islam, with Truth.


Too bad you weren't around to shut Mohammed's mouth before he said "I do," and married a six year old girl.




MY RESPONSE:

Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind..........

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then!


Ali,

Oh, so 'everyone was doing it........' that makes it okay?

If your kids tell you 'everyone is doing it....' are you going to let them have what they ask? How absurd.

You want your kids, I would assume, to grow up to be holy and pure individuals, not followers of the crowd, right?

Just because a female or male has entered puberty does not mean they are ready for the responsibility of marriage and family, does it? Let's not be ridiculous.

Do not try to justify marriage at this early age by telling me 'everyone was doing it...' or 'well, she may have menstruated'

I expect genuine, thinking responses from you, not lame excuses for inexcusable behavior. If you truly reverence God, you cannot excuse the irresponsible misuse of marriage.
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ali87
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 11:16 pm
Re: TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:


Shutting the loud mouths of those who unjustly attack Islam, with Truth.


Too bad you weren't around to shut Mohammed's mouth before he said "I do," and married a six year old girl.




MY RESPONSE:

Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind..........

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then!


Ali,

Oh, so 'everyone was doing it........' that makes it okay?

If your kids tell you 'everyone is doing it....' are you going to let them have what they ask? How absurd.

You want your kids, I would assume, to grow up to be holy and pure individuals, not followers of the crowd, right?

Just because a female or male has entered puberty does not mean they are ready for the responsibility of marriage and family, does it? Let's not be ridiculous.

Do not try to justify marriage at this early age by telling me 'everyone was doing it...' or 'well, she may have menstruated'

I expect genuine, thinking responses from you, not lame excuses for inexcusable behavior. If you truly reverence God, you cannot excuse the irresponsible misuse of marriage.



I NEVER SAID "EVERYONE WAS DOING IT" I SAID THAT WAS THE "MENTALITY" BACK THEN, JUST LIKE THE MENTALITY BACK THEN WAS TO WORSHIP IDOLS, OOPS I GUESS IT STILL IS SINCE CHRISTIANS TO THIS DAY IDOL WORSHIP JESUS!


AND REMEMBER THAT MOHAMMAD WAS ONLY A MAN, WE DONT SAY HE WAS A "SUPER HUMAN" LIKE JESUS. SO AGAIN, THAT WAS THE "MENTALITY" BACK THEN. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ ABOUT THE PEDOPHILIA IN THE BIBLE. MEN RAPING 3 YEAR OLD GIRLS UNDER PROPHET MOSES'S COMMAND, ATLEAST MOHAMMAD MARRIED HER AND SHE WAS 9 NOT 3!
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ali87
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 11:23 pm
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 11:32 pm
Re: TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE
ali87 wrote:
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:


Shutting the loud mouths of those who unjustly attack Islam, with Truth.


Too bad you weren't around to shut Mohammed's mouth before he said "I do," and married a six year old girl.




MY RESPONSE:

Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind..........

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then!


Ali,

Oh, so 'everyone was doing it........' that makes it okay?

If your kids tell you 'everyone is doing it....' are you going to let them have what they ask? How absurd.

You want your kids, I would assume, to grow up to be holy and pure individuals, not followers of the crowd, right?

Just because a female or male has entered puberty does not mean they are ready for the responsibility of marriage and family, does it? Let's not be ridiculous.

Do not try to justify marriage at this early age by telling me 'everyone was doing it...' or 'well, she may have menstruated'

I expect genuine, thinking responses from you, not lame excuses for inexcusable behavior. If you truly reverence God, you cannot excuse the irresponsible misuse of marriage.



I NEVER SAID "EVERYONE WAS DOING IT" I SAID THAT WAS THE "MENTALITY" BACK THEN..................


Yeah, you did.

ali87 wrote:
.....because all men married young girls back then........


ali87 wrote:
.....so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then.......


Do men marry 6 year old girls today in the Islamic countries, and do you consider it justifiable?

Or maybe a better question, what is the YOUNGEST age that you, as a Muslim, consider it proper for a young girl to marry, (thus assuming the possible responsibility of raising children)?
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 12:01 am
Re: TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:
real life wrote:
ali87 wrote:


Shutting the loud mouths of those who unjustly attack Islam, with Truth.


Too bad you weren't around to shut Mohammed's mouth before he said "I do," and married a six year old girl.




MY RESPONSE:

Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind..........

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then!


Ali,

Oh, so 'everyone was doing it........' that makes it okay?

If your kids tell you 'everyone is doing it....' are you going to let them have what they ask? How absurd.

You want your kids, I would assume, to grow up to be holy and pure individuals, not followers of the crowd, right?

Just because a female or male has entered puberty does not mean they are ready for the responsibility of marriage and family, does it? Let's not be ridiculous.

Do not try to justify marriage at this early age by telling me 'everyone was doing it...' or 'well, she may have menstruated'

I expect genuine, thinking responses from you, not lame excuses for inexcusable behavior. If you truly reverence God, you cannot excuse the irresponsible misuse of marriage.



I NEVER SAID "EVERYONE WAS DOING IT" I SAID THAT WAS THE "MENTALITY" BACK THEN..................


Yeah, you did.

ali87 wrote:
.....because all men married young girls back then........


ali87 wrote:
.....so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then.......


Do men marry 6 year old girls today in the Islamic countries, and do you consider it justifiable?

Or maybe a better question, what is the YOUNGEST age that you, as a Muslim, consider it proper for a young girl to marry, (thus assuming the possible responsibility of raising children)?




UR MAKING IT SEEM LIKE THAT THEY HAD SEX WHEN SHE WAS 6, REMEMBER SHE WAS 9 WHEN SHE SHE ENTERED HIS HOUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN SHE BECAME MATURE AT THE AGE OF 9 NOT 6. YOURE GIVING THE READER THE IMPLICATION THAT THEY SLEPT TOGETHER WHEN SHE WAS 6, UR INDEED A JERK.


NOW LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, AND THEN ILL ANSWER YOURS

if you had a younger sister, who was not obviously nine, because when you compare a 9 year old then, to a 9 year old now, ull see that a 9 year old girl now is not suitable for marrige, because she has not gone through puberty yet. but if u had a sister who was 14 or 15, and she was going through puberty (and as you know both boys and girls sexual desires are at the highest in puberty, that theyre weak to fall into temptation) and no matter how religous you are and how much you talk to your sister and how much your parents talk to her, there still will be that day when shes gonna go to a party with her friends without you knowing, and very well she might be tempted into fornication with another guy, so young marrige stands to be justified if the girl has gone through her puberty, and looks mature. would you want your sister to experience with diferent guys, and to let different guys touch her, and then wed her? or would you rather wed her with one man, and whatever she does is with him and him only. look at how many teenage mothers we have today, look at how many teengaers we have with STDs you want your sister to get AIDS? cuz like i said theres alway that posibility that she will be tempted into fornication. thats wats wrong with the corrupt system today, but obviously the age 9 is not acceptble in todays world, because its not the "mentality" like its the mentality to idiol worship jesus as god. so me personally i wouldnt wed my 9 year old sister because shes too young and hasnt gone through puberty, but if the law allowed it i would happily wed my 15 year old sister or daughter. again a 9 year old girl then is equivelant to a 14 or 15 year old girl now.
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 12:02 am
Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind. (WHAT DO YOU THINK THOSE YOUNG DAUGHTHERS OF THE MEN THAT DIED AT WARS HAD TO DO IF THEY WERE POOR? THEY HAD TO GO OUT AND SELL THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO OTHER SUPPORT, AS YOU KNOW WOMEN DIDNT WORK BACK THEN LIKE MEN DID. ITS EVEN HAPPENING TODAY IN COUNTRIES SUCH AS ROMANIA, FATHERS ARE SELLING THEIR YOUNG DAUGHTERS INTO PROSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO FEED THEMSELVES AND THE KID!

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then! And another reason, if he was a pedophile then how come his first wife Khadijah was 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM? When he was 25 and she was 50! SHE WAS A WIDOW! AND HOWCOME HIS OTHER WIFE MAIMOONA WAS 50 YEARS OLD? AGAIN A WIDOW! HOW COME MOST OF HIS WIVES WERE WIDOWS AND OLDER? Certainly if he wished he could've had any beautiful young girl he wanted! When he became prophet, and the parents would've gave their girls to Mohammad anytime he wished. He became famous and powerful, so why did he choose to marry widows, and women that were in need of financial help, rather than young beautiful girls if his aim was only lust and pleasure? This is where; multiple marriages (up to 4 wives) in Islam stands to be justified. It was meant so that single mothers and their young daughters wouldn't have to prostitute themselves.

(ALSO WOMEN'S POPULATION ARE MORE THAN THAT OF MEN'S, FOR EVERY 1 MAN THERES 4 WOMEN, AND WOMEN HAVE A LONGER LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN MEN, GOD ALMIGHTY KNEW THIS 1400 YEARS AGO!)
IF PEOPLE FOLLOWED THE TRUE ISLAMIC LAWS OF THE HOLY QURAN, AND IF A MAN WHO WAS "FIANCIALLY ABLE" MARRIED UP TO FOUR WIVES TO SUPPORT THEM, THEN PROSTITUTION WOULDNT EXIST TODAY, OR TO SAY THE LEAST WOULDVE BEEN WAYYYY LESS. AND CERTAINLY MEN WOULDNT COMMIT ADULTERY BEHIND THEIR WIVES. (Men have higher sexual desires than women, that's why you see men cheating more than women) this system if worked properly according to the Quran would've been so much helpful.

(Remember the Quran never says a man has to marry more than one wife; it says that if the man thinks that he cannot treat all the wives equally then he should marry only "ONE")


prostitution of women is in its highest rate even in the greatest world power: the US OF A, so many single mothers in the US are forced into prostitution because their so called "husbands" desert them after taking advantage of them leaving behind bastardized children. It's happening way more obviously in poorer countries, its happening even more than it was before. So then why didn't Mohammad not leave any of his wives if his goal with them was only lust? at a time when all other Arab men used to get drunk and commit adultery and rape women, why did prophet Mohammad stayed committed to his wives?



BUT AGAIN MOST MUSLIM MEN TODAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION AND MARRY ONLY FOR PLEASURE AND ONLY FOR LUST, THESE ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIMS, THESE MEN ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION, THEY WILL BURN IN HELLFIRE. AND THATS HOW MISSIONARY RATS USE THIS TO TRASH THIS BEAUTIFUL RELIGION, AND ALSO POLYGAMMY WASNT INVENTED IN ISLAM, MANY PROPHETS BEFORE MOHAMMAD IN BIBLICAL TIMES HAD HUNDARADS OF WIVES, IT WAS ALLOWED UP TO THE 1700S UNTIL PRIESTS FORBADE IT SEEING HOW MEN WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE. WHEN ISLAM ARRIVED IT FIXED THE CORRUPT SYSTEM

(Now some may argue and say that even the system in the Quran is corrupted, because if men can marry more than one, then why cant woman?)


MY RESPONSE: science has proven that although both men and women are the same but they're different in how they think. One example is that men tend to make important decisions by mostly using their thoughts, based on knowledge; on the other hand women tend to make important decisions mostly based on their emotional feelings. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE DO NOT HAVE AN AMERICAN FEMALE PRESIDENT, because for such a country to succeed it would need a cold blooded murderer such as George w bush, and if a woman was president instead of him, she would've made most of her decisions based on her feelings, and she would've most likely felt sorry for the children of Iraq. But perhaps, in the new coming election, Lady Hillary Clinton might have a chance, since before her George w bush sucked enough oil out of Iraq to last them a century.

IM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMAN, I AM JUST SAYING, THAT: "WE ARE THE SAME, YET WE ARE DIFFRERNT"


SO IMAGINE IF A WOMAN WAS ALLOWED TO MARRY UP TO FOUR MEN! THIS SYSTEM AND WAY OF LIFE WOULDVE NEVER WORKED, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE WOMAN WOULDVE MADE MOST OF HER IMPORTANT LIFE DESISIONS BASED ON HER EMOTIONS. A WOMAN'S BRAIN WORKS DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF A MAN, A TRULY COMMITED WOMAN CANNOT MADLY FALL INLOVE WIITH MORE THAN ONE MAN, WHILE GOD MADE MEN DIFFERENT SO THAT THEY CAN LOVE MORE THAN ONE WOMAN, SO THAT THEY CAN EMBRACE THEM UNDER THEIR ARMS, AND CHERISH AND LOVE AND PROTECT THEM.


That is why in the Quran it's mentioned that when a woman wants to make an important life decision her father or an older brother or an uncle should be with her to guide her.




But Look at Muslim countries now, they're making Islam look bad, by marrying different wives for only pleasure, it was never meant to be that way, it was meant to support the woman and her kids financially. Mohammad was a true follower of Islam, he never married for pleasure, besides its not like Mohammad rode on a white horse snatching her away. He married her, by her parent's permission. And it was after she went through puberty; she was mature as I explained above. The so called "pedophilia" in the Quran is way different than the pedophilia in the man corrupted bible.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 12:08 am
Oh, of course. Not a 6 year old... a mature woman of 9 years old. The writings of a madman.
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 12:12 am
THAT WAS THE "MENTALITY" BACK THEN, JUST LIKE THE MENTALITY BACK THEN WAS TO WORSHIP IDOLS, OOPS I GUESS IT STILL IS SINCE CHRISTIANS TO THIS DAY IDOL WORSHIP JESUS!


AND REMEMBER THAT MOHAMMAD WAS ONLY A MAN, WE DONT SAY HE WAS A "SUPER HUMAN" LIKE JESUS. SO AGAIN, THAT WAS THE "MENTALITY" BACK THEN. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ ABOUT THE PEDOPHILIA IN THE BIBLE. MEN RAPING 3 YEAR OLD GIRLS UNDER PROPHET MOSES'S COMMAND, ATLEAST MOHAMMAD MARRIED HER AND SHE WAS 9 NOT 3!
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 12:14 am
Important Note: Please pay attention toward the end of this article to the Virgin Mary's (peace be upon her) age. According to Christian resources, Mary was 12-14 when she had Jesus. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past. You will also see a section on the Prophets of the Bible who married hundreds of wives and some had even slept with their neighbor's wives and some had exposed their wives in the most disgusting PORNOGRAPHIC way to the entire world in the Bible. You will also see my response to the missionaries' argument: "Jesus never got married, so therefore Muhammad is not truthful".

Every time the Muslims talk about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to the anti-Islamic, the anti-Islamic use Muhammad's marriage with a girl named Aisha as a point against Islam. They claim that since Muhammad was in his 50's and Aisha was only 9 years old, then its ok to call him a "Child Molester":

Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"

Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage. This is further elaborated on in the "The Middle Eastern and other Cultures" and "What about Aisha's parents (mon and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?" and "The life span 1400 years ago was very short" sections below in this article.

The "child molester" charge is a terrible unfair attack on Islam because it doesn't apply to our beloved prophet in anyway!
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 12:15 am
Do you have a point to all this pointless rambling?
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 12:19 am
But still, she is considered a child in our standards today!

Well, a lot of the things we do today are not right in the eyes of many. Our "standards" today mean nothing to what took place 1400 years ago. Today, anyone under 18 years old is considered a "child", a baby still under his mommy's and daddy's care. Back then on the other hand, people who reached the age of 18 were considered wise and very mature.

Let me share this Islamic story with you:

There is a famous Islamic figure called "Osama bin Zayd (or Zaid)". I was told that this man was once a leader or one of the leaders of the Muslims who met the Roman Christians. He defeated them. He was only 16 to 18 years old.

So the point is, Aisha, peace be upon her, might look as child to you, but back then she certainly was considered as "woman" who was qualified for marriage.



The following articles contain more proofs:


From http://ismaili.net/histoire/history03/history333.html: (bold, color and underline emphesis below are mine)

Osama bin Zaid
At about the middle of the month of Safar, in the 11th A.H., on Monday, Muhammad ordered his followers to make speedy preparations for an expedition against the people of Mauta in the Byzantine territory, and the sources go to say, to avenge the massacre of the soldiers, who had fallen in recent skirmishes. The next day, on Tuesday he appointed Osama to the command of the army. Osama was the son of Zaid bin Harith, who had been slain at Mauta, and was a youth of 17 or 18 years. On Wednesday, a violent inroad of headache and fever seized Muhammad, but the next morning of Thursday, he found himself sufficiently recovered to prepare a flag-staff, with his own hands, which he made over to Osama. The camp was then erected at Jorf, three miles from Medina on the route to Syria. He ordered all his followers at Medina to join it at once, not excepting even the renowned companions to join it at once. Only Ali, who was required to remain with him at Medina, was exempted. The malady, although gaining ground, did not confine Muhammad entirely to his house. He used to move into the mosque, through the door of his apartment, to lead the prayers. After about a week of his summoning the men to the Syrian expedition under Osama, he perceived that the progress to join the camp at Jorf was very slow and poor, therefore, he once again addressed the people to join the Syrian expedition. The sickness of Muhammad was increasing every day, and the Syrian expedition, weighed upon his mind, and continued saying to those around him, "Send off quickly the army of Osama." According to the Shiites, Muhammad was really reprimanding his companions for not joining the expeditionary force. Knowing that Muhammad's end was near, the companions were reluctant to leave Medina at such a critical time and fearful that, if they absented themselves, Ali might step uncontested. In sum, the army of Osama could not depart from Medina during the time of Muhammad.

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From http://www.dawn.com/2003/08/22/fea.htm: (bold, color and underline emphesis below are mine)

"...Assuming the responsibilities of the caliphate he was confronted with the problems that some of the tribes who had already embraced Islam broke off, many tribes declined to pay Zakat and false prophets emerged to take advantage of the situation. Hazrat Ayesha (RA) at this is reported to have uttered that the problems faced by my father if had befallen on Jibal-ur- Rasiat it would have shattered. However, credit goes to him who with courage and resolution overcame them.

His first priority was to dispatch the expedition to Syria under the command of Osama bin Zaid originally ordered by the Holy Prophet but delayed due to his (SAW) death. It was a critical juncture for him. In the wake of alarming condition he was advised not to send, but he did not yield and without hesitation dispatched it in order to execute the wishes of the Holy Prophet. He was so much concerned that he himself came out of Madina to see the expedition off which soon returned graced by victory. It boosted the morale of the Muslims very much...."
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 12:19 am
Was Muhammad a pedophile?

The following is an email sent to me by brother Amir Abdul Rahim; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Was Muhammad a child molester?
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:37:17 +0000 (GMT)

Assalamu Alaikum Wr Wb

The discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha has recently come up on a muslim message board, with the usual cries of 'Muhammad was a pedophile' coming from the usual anti-Islam lobby.

In order to answer this filthy slander, I went to a police website detailing the traits of a pedophile, and this is what I came up with. It seems that, even by today's standards, Muhammad could not be considered a pedophile.

Please feel free to use or edit this text in any way you like.

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Okay, lets have a look at the psyche of a typical pedophile, and see how much of it fits Muhammad shall we? Quoted text is taken from Understanding the Pedophile Psyche, courtesy of the Police Federation of England & Wales:

http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm

"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."

As well as being married to Aisha, he was also married to many other women during his life. He wasn't certainly suffering from low self-esteem. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."

As has been mentioned before, Muhammad waited for at least two years before consummating the marriage. Therefore, this point of 'lack of self control' does not apply to Muhammad. Also, fasting during Ramadan requires abstention from sexual relations. Why would Muhammad practise this if he had no self-control?

"Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."

Muhammad never once denied having sex with his wife. Also note the use of the term 'victim'. Aisha could not be described as a victim. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."

Muhammad has no history of pedophile activity whatsoever. Also, as I pointed out, all of Muhammad's other wives were adult, and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children. Therefore, this doesn't apply to Muhammad.

"Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."

Although he was orphaned at a young age, Muhammad was always very close to all his family members, and advocated that whosoever cuts the bond of kith and kin, he/she would be denied paradise. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."

Despite being illiterate, Muhammad had a reputation for being a very bright young boy, an excellent trader, and an extremely wise man. Therefore, this point does not apply to Muhammad.

"Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."

Muhammad wasn't suffering from depression when he married Aisha. Also, low self-esteem, loneliness, and difficulty to establish relations could not be attributed to Muhammad.

"Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."

This certainly isn't true.

I have demonstrated that, despite the fact Muhammad married a nine-year old girl, he could NOT be considered a pedophile.
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