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I have compiled a list of verses that Christians neglect. They practice what is called ?'selective morality' when it comes to the Bible. They choose verses and jam it down ours throats, and the rest they ignore and reject vehemently. Its about time we have exposed this truth about those who claim to be followers of Christ. They really don't follow him at all. My comments are in red.

(1) Do they fast like Jesus?

When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:16-18)

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. (Matthew 4:2)

And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. (Mark 9:29)

People had complained to Jesus saying, "Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?" (Luke 5:33). But Jesus replied that as long as he is with them his disciples should not fast, but after he is taken away then "they will fast in those days" (Luke 5:35).

So after they had fasted and prayed (Acts 13:3)

* Christians do not fast. The disciples fasted like Jesus after his departure, and Muslims fast like them too!

The true followers of Jesus were not called "Christians" at first, they were collectively known as the Nazarenes and Ebionites, the headquarters was based in Jerusalem, not Rome. The verse Acts 11:26 state how the pagans ridiculed the early disciples of Jesus with insulting remarks such as "Christian". This title was very offensive to the followers of the Way. (Acts 9:2, 19:23, 24:14, 22)
The first ?'Church' was founded by James the brother of Jesus, prior to the existence of the Pauline Church. I suggest you study the history of Christianity to learn about the Nazarenes and Ebionites, who were the true Christians from Jewish descent, and they no longer exist today.

Jesus never said anything about Rome being the centre of his teachings. He never once traveled to Rome, his teaching were only meant for the Jews (Matthew 10:6, 15:24) and he ignored a Gentile women begging for help (Mark 7:25-28).

There is absolutely no evidence that Peter went to Rome, the Protestants do not believe Peter set foot in Rome. The 2nd century apocryphal fable called the "Apocalypse of Peter" records that Peter was ?'crucified upside down', which is totally unhistorical.

Clement of Rome (d. 97) who was the first to write about the death of Peter and Paul, never mentioned his alleged crucifixion, the epistle of 1Clement only states that Paul was beheaded under Nero (64 CE) and Peter was "martyred at Rome". There is no reference to ?'upside down crucifixion'.

Once again, I urge you to study how the Pauline Christians overtook the Jerusalem Church by power and control, gradually fixing Paul's religion of "Christianity" throughout the Roman Empire.

By the 4th century, Christianity was firmly established from the roots of Paganism and Mithraism. At least two hundred years earlier, the ?'Jerusalem Church' was defeated by the Paulians who are now called Christians, the doctrines of Paul replaced the Teachings of Jesus.

After the Jewish War (66-70 CE), the Nazarenes turned poor, they became known as the Ebionites which means ?'poor ones'. Jesus is recorded to have said "Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:3)

Furthermore, Jesus did not establish "Christianity" on earth.

"The first difficulty is that the word ?'Christian' is only encountered three times in the New Testament (Acts 11:26, 26:28, Peter 4:16), and all three mentions occurred long after the ministry of Jesus. None of these three verses utilize the label ?'Christian' in a context which bears the authority of Jesus or of God. In other words, Jesus never identified himself as a Christian and never proclaimed himself to have established Christianity on earth. In fact, while the word ?'Christian' is encountered only three times in the Bible, the term ?'Christianity' is nowhere to be found". (Laurence B. Brown, The First and Final Commandment, p. 28)

Given the fact that there has never been in the history of the Torah (Old Testament) the religion of God to be named after a Prophet (i.e. Adaminity, Abrahamity, Mosanity, etc.), I hope to explain that Jesus did not preach the religion of Christianity, but a religion that gives all Praise and Worship to The One God. One of the questions I asked myself as I took an objective (second) look at Christianity was; where did the word Christianity come from and was the word ever mentioned to Jesus? Well, I did not find the word Christianity in the Bible, not even in a Bible dictionary. Specifically, I did not find in the Bible where Jesus called himself a Christian. The word Christian was first mentioned by a pagan to describe those who followed Jesus. It is mentioned one of three times in the New Testament by a pagan and Jew in Antioch about 43 AD, (Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16) long after Jesus left this earth. To accept the words of pagans as having any value or association with divinity, Jesus or God is contrary to the teachings of all Prophets. (Abdul Malik LeBlanc, The Bible Led Me to Islam)

Christians have abandoned the Mosaic Law because the Pauline Church requires them to have "faith only". The Christians today ONLY follow what the Church tells them, not what the Bible says, therefore they practice selective morality. Anyone who questions the doctrines of the Church, even a small child, is strongly rebuked and told "just to believe".

The Apostle Paul and his opponents in Galatia, who say, "Wait a minute, Paul told you a very simplified gospel, it makes it easy for you to become a member of this new group, but we know, after all, that if you're really going to be a real Christian, first you have to be a real Jew and that means, you have to be circumcised and you have to keep certain regulations out of the Torah. So Paul has not got it right. (www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/diversity.html)

I've always had doubts about "christianity", or should I say "CHURCHIANITY", since I was old enough to know how to tie my shoes. I never felt quite right at "church", and now I know why. When I look at "church" in a new light, that is, the light of the fraud (ahem) that it has turned out to be, and that it's all about power, control, and mostly money, (A reviewer of The Bible Fraud, Amazon.com)

Many Christian sects flourished by the 2nd century throughout Palestine and beyond, yet the Pauline Church succeeded with the support from the Roman Empire that overpowered the Jerusalem Church, founded by James the brother of Jesus. The "Christianity" brought by Paul is NOT the Gospel preached by Jesus, but the Gospel of Paul, which is the foundation of Christianity.

What is the significance for our faith and for our religious life, the fact that the Gospel of Paul is different from the Gospel of Jesus?
The attitude which Paul himself takes up towards the Gospel of Jesus is that he does not repeat it in the words of Jesus, and does not appeal to its authority.... The fateful thing is that the Greek, the Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but displaces it." (Albert Schweitzer, The Quest for the Historical Jesus)

There were very different views of Jesus in the various types of Christianity.... Perhaps the starkest contrast was among those who considered themselves as gnostic Christians, and those who considered themselves Christians in the old Pauline view of things. On the one hand, Paul, and Pauline Christianity, would have placed all of the emphasis on Jesus' death and resurrection, and the saving power of that death and resurrection. Gnostic Christianity, on the other hand, would have placed its prime emphasis on the message, the wisdom, the knowledge, the gnosis, that's where the word gnostic comes from, the Greek word for knowledge, the knowledge that Jesus transmits, and even the secret knowledge that Jesus transmits. So one would have on the one hand faith in the saving event of Jesus' life and death, and on the other hand knowledge as the great source of adherence to the Jesus movement on the other hand. (www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/diversity.html)

The point I am trying to make is that the early Jewish Christians, known as the Nazarenes and Ebionites, were the true Christians, they never practiced ?'selective morality'; they accepted the Torah as the complete embodiment of Jesus' teachings. For example, Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21) but how many Christians are circumcised?

Jesus usually prayed in the synagogue. He prayed at appointed times each day, in the morning, at mid-day, and in the evening. The exact form of his prayer is no longer extant, but it is known that it was based on the prayer which Moses was given. Jesus said that he had come to uphold the Law and not to destroy it one jot or one tithe.

Jesus was educated in the synagogue in Jerusalem from the age of twelve. He preached in the synagogue. He used to keep the synagogue clean. No Christian today can be found performing these actions. How many Christians have even been circumcised in the manner that Jesus was?

The services now held in today's churches were developed long after Jesus had disappeared. Many of them come directly from the pagan Graeco-Roman mythological rites. The prayers they use are not the prayers which Jesus made Due to the innovations of Paul and his followers, there is no revealed teaching left as to what to eat and what not to eat.

Anyone given a "Christian education" today eats what he feels like. Yet Jesus and his true followers only ate kosher meat and were forbidden to eat pig's flesh. The last meal Jesus is known to have eaten before his disappearance was the Passover meal. No Christian today celebrates this longstanding Jewish tradition to which Jesus so meticulously held.
(Muhammad, Ata-Rahim, Jesus Prophet of Islam, pp. 199-200)

Muslims are circumcised; therefore they are the true followers of Jesus.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/rebuttal_to_quenalle_gale_1.htm

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lol the red thing didnt work

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I haven't met a single Christian who practices fasting, simply because they do not fast, they are "saved by faith only".

In the first century, Jews fasted on Mondays and Thursdays. The original Christians were all Jewish and were used to the fasting as a spiritual discipline. They moved the fast days to Wednesdays and Fridays, because Judas engineered Jesus' arrest on a Wednesday and Jesus was crucified on a Friday. Most often that fast took the form of avoiding meat in the diet. In those days, meat was a luxury food. You either had to buy it in a market or you had to own enough land to keep cattle. On the other hand, anyone could grow vegetables or forage for them, and anyone could catch a fish in a lake or a stream. You could buy better fish and vegetables, but the point is that you could eat without money if you were poor. So meat was rich people's food and fish was poor people's food. That is why the most common form of fasting was to omit meat and eat fish.

The fasts have died out in the west for several reasons. First, we are becoming very narcissistic. We don't care if our bodily appetites have the upper hand, and many people count recreation and luxury as necessities. In the Roman Catholic Church, the fasts were relaxed because they were not being observed and also because they realized that Lobster Thermidor or even a modest dinner at a seafood restaurant hardly lives up to the spirit of a fast. I say the fasts were "relaxed" because in the Roman Catholic Church, the regulations for fasting are set by the bishops and can vary from place to place. http://www.happinessonline.org/BeTemperate/p18.htm

Fasting, in our days, has become one of the most neglected spiritual values. Because of misunderstanding regarding the nature of fasting, because of confused and reversed priorities in its use, many of today's Orthodox Christians fast very little, or disregard fasting altogether. (http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article8124.asp)

Many Christians have changed the Law of fasting; they merely "give up" something materialistic and call that "fasting", which is not true fasting.

Jesus only ate kosher meat, he was forbidden to eat pig's flesh (Leviticus 11:7)

Again, Christians have changed the Law of fasting, they never wake up before sunrise to start the fast; they simply wake up in the morning and start their "fast".

Jesus Christ and his 12 disciples were Early Risers (the pagans used to sleep late) they used to wake up early and pray to God. Similarly, Muslims wake up before sunrise and pray to God. Today, Christians DO NOT wake up early in the manner of Jewish Christians of the 1st century who followed Jesus, they used to start the day Worshipping God.

Therefore, Muslims follow the perfected Code of Fasting through Islam by waking up before sunrise and fasting to sunset. Jesus is recorded to have said "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now" (John 16:12) Jesus was giving the implication that God would perfect the Law of Fasting (and many other Laws) after his departure, and these Laws were perfected by the Spirit of Truth whose name was Muhammad, the Last Prophet (peace be upon him)!

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How many Christians in this world have you met that told you they did'nt fast?

That which enters into the mouth doesn't defile the man; but that which proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."

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Bartikus wrote:

How many Christians in this world have you met that told you they did'nt fast?

That which enters into the mouth doesn't defile the man; but that which proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."

hahaha what a load of crap as you literally mentioned urself, stop trying to fool urself. no christians follow jesus, they do not fast like he did, while muslims on the other hand fast for a whole month. jesus didnt eat pork he only ate kosher meat, and he didnt drink alcohol, why christians do haha. your not fooling anybody but urself.

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muslims dont eat pig nor alcohol, and they fast, just like jesus.

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I would indeed pay closer attention to the words I use and the spirit in which I deliver them.

"Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt." -- Qur'an, Surah 19:30-35

Does not Muhammad agree that Jesus died and resurrects here?

What good does it do to pay close attention to the food or drink you partake .....when death and hatred proceeds from the heart....dripping from one's lips?

Who is fooling themselves?

If you think a person who merely eats the way Jesus did and drinks the way Jesus did...praying in the form that Jesus did.... makes them a follower of Jesus.....

ye are deceived!

The physical evidences are not what's important. It's what's in the heart...not circumcision but circumcision of the heart that matters.

With a clean and loving heart we live.....without it...we are dead already.

When making judgements as to who your true friends are and searching for evidence......where do you look?

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Was Jesus - 'Isaa (a.s.)
raised
"Dead" or "Alive" ?

Recently I have received serious queries concerning 'Isaa (a.s.)'s final days. Here are the verses of the Qur'an on this important subject.
TWO IDENTICAL BLESSINGS FOR
TWO PROPHETS IN SURA MARYAM (19):
Verse Number 15 of Sura 19:
Translation by Yusuf Ali:
So Peace on him the day he was born the day that he dies and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!
Translation by M. Asad:
Hence, [God's} peace was upon him on the day when he was born, and on the day of his death, and will be [upon him] on the day when he shall be raised to life [again]
Transliteration:
Was salaamun 'alayhi yawma wulida wa yawma yamuutu wa yawma yub-'asu hayyaa!
Verse Number 33 of Sura 19:
Translation by Yusuf Ali:
"So Peace is on me the day I was born the day that I die and the Day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
Translation by M. Asad:
"Hence, peace was upon me on the day when I was born, and [will be upon me] on the day of my death, and on the day when I shall be raised to life;! [again]"
Transliteration:
Was salaamun 'alayya yawma wulittu wa yawma yamuutu wa yawma yub-'asu hayyaa!
Important Notes:
1. The verse number 15 was Revealed in connection with
Prophet Yahya (a.s.) who is also known as John.
2. The verse number 33 was Revealed in connection with
Prophet 'Isaa (a.s.) who is also known as Jesus.
3. Please note the ORDER OF THE SEQUENCES OF THE EVENTS that
are mentioned in BOTH OF THESE VERSES. They are identical:
(a) The Days of the BIRTHS of these two Prophets.
(b) The Days of the DEATHS of these two Prophets.
(c) The Days of the RAISING TO LIFE AGAIN of these two Prophets.

If one was to believe that Prophet 'Isaa (a.s.) i.e. Jesus Christ has been
RAISED UP ALIVE with his Physical BODY and he has yet to DIE the Physical DEATH at some future date, then that person has changed the
ORDER OF THE REVEALED SEQUENCES OF EVENTS in verse 33
as well as the person has changed the intended meaning of this Revelation.
The following Verse 10: 15 clearly tells us that even the Prophet (s.a.s.) could not CHANGE THE TEXT that was once Revealed by Allah (swt).
Translation by Yusuf Ali:
But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us say: "Bring us a Reading other than this or change this." Say: "It is not for me of my own accord to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord I should myself fear the Penalty of a Great Day (to come)."

VERSES WHEREIN THE WORD
"rafa'a " IS MENTIONED:
Two translations of VERSE No. 4: 158
Transliteration:
Bar rafa'a -hu'allaahu 'ilayh; wa- kaan'allaahu 'Aziizan Hakiimaa;
a) Translation by Yusuf Ali:
Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise. 4: 158
Commentary number 664 by Yusuf Ali to the above verse, as it appears in the original NON REVISED 1977 edition:
There is difference of opinion as to the exact interpretation of this verse. The words are: The Jews did not kill Jesus, but God raised him up (rafa'u) to Himself. One school holds that Jesus did not die the usual human death, but still lives in the body in heaven; another holds that he did die (v. 120) but not when he was supposed to have to be crucified, and that his being "raised up" unto God means that instead of being disgraced as a malefactor, as the Jews intended, he was on the contrary honoured by God as His Apostle; see also next verse. The same word rafa'a is used in association with honour in connection with Mustafa in xciv. 4.
Here is the transliteration and the translated text of verse 94: 4:
Wa rafa' naa laka dhikrak?
And raised high the esteem (in which) thou (art held)?
b) Translation by M. Asad:
Nay, God exalted him unto Himself - and God is indeed almighty, wise. 4: 158
Commentary Number 172 by M. Asad to the above verse reads:
Cf. 3:55, where God says to Jesus, "Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee to Me." The verb rafa'ahu (lit., "he raised him" or "elevated him") has always, whenever the act of raf' ("elevating") of human being is attributed to God, the meaning of "honouring" or "exalting". Nowhere in the Qur'an is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has "taken up" Jesus bodily, in his lifetime, into heaven. The expression "God exalted him unto Himself" in the above verse denotes the elevation of Jesus to the realm of God's special grace - a blessing in which all prophets partake, as it is evident from 19:57, where the verbrafa'nahu ("We exalted him") is used with regard to the Prophet Idris, (See also Muhammad Abduh in Manar III, 316 f., and VI, 20f.) The "nay" (bal) at the beginning of the sentence is meant to stress the contrast between belief of the Jesus that they had put Jesus to a shameful death on the cross and the fact of God's having "exalted him unto Himself."
Here is the text of verse 19: 57 for comparison:
And We raised him to a lofty station.
VERSE 3: 55: (wherein the word "rafa'a" is mentioned)
a) Translation by Yusuf Ali:
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject Faith to the Day of Resurrection....
b) Translation by M. Asad:
Lo! God said: "O Jesus! Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me, and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee [far] above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the Day of Resurrection.....
Transliteration: 'Idh qaala 'allaahu yaa 'Isaa 'innii muta-waffika wa raafi 'uka 'ilayya wa mutahhi -ruka minalladhiina kafaruu wa jaa-'ilulladhii-nattaba 'uuka faw-qalladhiina kafaruu 'ilaa Yawmil Qiyaamah...

VERSE No. 2: 253 (wherein the word "rafa'a" is mentioned)
a) Translation by Yusuf Ali:
Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: to one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor)...
b) Translation by M. Asad:
Some of these apostles have We endowed more highly than others, among them were such as were spoken to by God [Himself], and some He has raised yet higher...
Transliteration:
Tilka ar- rusulu faz.zalnaa ba'zahum 'alaa ba'z. Min -hum man kallama 'allaahu wa- rafa'a ba' zahum darajaat...

Verses 2: 63, 2: 93 and 4: 154
In these verses the word Rafa'naa is used in connection with
the Mountain of Sinai (Tur-u-Sinin or Jabal Musa) in Arabia.
Did Allah (SWT) literally "LIFT" or raise the Mountain of Sinai high above the heads of Jews as a witness of their Pledge (Covenant) or "RAISED IN HONOUR" the Status of this lofty Mountain? The Israelites were enjoying a special Status of being called the "Chosen People" (chosen to receive and spread the Message of Allah to mankind), during and prior to the days of Musa (a.s.). When Allah gave the 'Ten Commandments' and the 'Law' to His Messenger and took the solemn Covenant from the Israelites that were encamped at the foot of this prominent mountain which is located in the Arabian desert, He raised the Status of Mountain (at-tur) higher than that of the defiant Jews and said: "Hold firmly to what We have given you (at at-tur) and bring to remembrance what is therein so that you might fear Allah"2: 63

VERSE No. 43: 61:
(two distinctly separate renderings - the major cause of confusion)
a) Translation by Yusuf Ali:
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour) but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
Commentary number 4662 by Yusuf Ali to the above verse reads:
This is understood to refer to the second coming of Jesus in the Last Days before the Resurrection, when he will destroy the false doctrines that pass under his name, and prepare the way for the universal acceptance of Islam, the Gospel of Unity and Peace, the Straight Way of the Qur'an.
Please Note: The name of JESUS is mentioned by the translator within the brackets ( ). The name of Jesus does not appear in the original Arabic Text. The term DAJJAL is also not to be found in the Glorious Qur'an nor the supposed Battle between him and Jesus. Translator Abdullah Yusuf Ali was a Musta'aliyan Shiah.
b) Translation by M. Asad:
AND, BEHOLD, this [divine writ] is indeed a means to know [that] the Last Hour [is bound to come]; (41) hence, have no doubt whatever about it, but follow Me: this [alone] is a straight way.
Commentary Number 41 by M. Asad to the above verse reads:
Whereas most of the commentators regard the pronoun hu in innahu as relating to Jesus and, consequently, interpret the above phrase as "he is indeed a means to know [i.e., an indication of the coming of] the Last Hour", some authorities - e.g., Qatadah, Al-Hasan Al-Basri and Said ibn Jubayr (all of them quoted by Tabari, Badhawi and Ibn Kathir) - relate the pronoun to the Quran, and understand the phrase in the sense adopted in my rendering. The specific mention of the Last Hour in the above context is meant to stress man's ultimate responsibility before the Creator and, therefore, the fact that worship is due to Him alone: and so this parenthetic passage follows logically upon the mention of the false deification of Jesus.
Transliteration:
wa- innahu la- 'ilmul lis-Saa 'ti falaa tamtarunna bihaa wattabi 'uun haadhaa Siraatum Mustaqiim
Note: A careful study of the above quoted verses as well as the next verse indicates that Jesus Christ was not raised ALIVE with his Physical Body.
Allah (SWT) Exalted Jesus Christ and thus cleared him of the falsehoods.

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Was Jesus Nailed to the Cross, but he did not Die on the Cross?
Please read carefully the Two translations and the
Two commentaries to Verse number 4: 157:
a) Translation by Yusuf Ali:
That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. 663
Commentary Number 663 by Yusuf Ali reads:
The end of the life of Jesus on earth is as much involved in mystery as his birth, and indeed the greater part of his private life, except the three main years of his ministry. It is not profitable to discuss the many doubts and conjectures among the early Christian sects and among Muslim theologians. The Orthodox Christian Churches make it a cardinal point of their doctrine that his life was taken on the Cross, that he died and was buried, that on the third day he rose in the body with his wounds intact, and walked about and conversed, and ate with his disciples, and was afterwards taken up bodily to heaven. This is necessary for the theological doctrine of blood sacrifice and vicarious atonement for sins, which is rejected by Islam. But some of the early Christian sects did not believe that Christ was killed on the Cross. The Basilidans believed that some one else was substituted for him. The Docetae held that Christ never had a real physical or natural body, but only an apparent or phantom body, and that his Crucifixion was only apparent, not real. The Marcionite Gospel (about A.D. 138) denied that Jesus was born, and merely said that he appeared in human form. The Gospel of St. Barnabas supported the theory of substitution on the Cross. The Quranic teaching is that Christ was not crucified nor killed by the Jews, notwithstanding certain apparent circumstances which produced that illusion in the minds of some of his enemies: that disputations, doubts, and conjectures on such matters are vain; and that he was taken up to Allah (see next verse and note).
NOTE: Earlier we have examined the verse 4: 158 and its note.
b) Translation by M. Asad of verse 4:157:
and in their boast, "Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, [who claimed to be] an apostle of God!" However, they did not slay him, and neither did they crucify him, but it only seemed to them [as if it had been] so; 171 and, verily, those who hold conflicting views thereon are indeed confused, having no [real] knowledge thereof, and following mere conjecture. For of a certainty, they did not slay him.
Commentary number 171 by M. Asad reads:
Thus, the Qur'an categorically denies the story of the crucifixion of Jesus. There exist, among Muslims, many fanciful legends telling us that at the last moment God substituted for Jesus a person closely resembling him [according to some accounts that person was Judas], who was subsequently crucified in his place. However, none of these Legends finds the slightest support in the Qur'an or in authentic Traditions, and the stories produced in this connections by the classical commentators must be summarily rejected. They represent no more than confused attempts at "harmonizing" the Quranic statement that Jesus was not crucified with the graphic description, in the Gospels, of his crucifixion. The story of crucifixion as such has been succinctly explained in the Quranic phrase wa-lakin shubbiha lahum, which I render as "but it only appeared to them as if it had been so" - implying that in the course of time, long after the time of Jesus, a legend had somehow grown up [possibly under the then-powerful influence of Mithraistic beliefs] to the effect that he had died on the cross in order to atone for the "original sin" with which mankind is allegedly burdened; and this legend became so firmly established among the latter-day followers of Jesus that even his enemies, the Jews, began to believe it - albeit in a derogatory sense [for crucifixion was, in those times, a heinous form of death penalty reserved for the lowest criminals]. This to my mind, is the only satisfactory explanation of the phrase wa-lakin shubbiha lahum, the more so as the expression shubbiha li, "[a thing] became a fancied image to me", i.e., "in my mind" - in other words, "[it] seemed to me" [see Qamus, art. khayala, as well as Lane II, 833, and IV, 1500].
Transliteration of verse 4: 157:
Wa- qawlihim 'innaa qatalna al- Masiiha 'Iisaa ibn Maryama Rasuul 'allaah; wa- maa qataluuhu wa- maa salabuuhu wa- laakin shubbiha lahum; wa- 'innal-ladhiina ikhtalafuu fiihi la- fii shakkim minh: maa lahum bihii min 'il-min 'illat-tibaa 'azzann; wa- maa qataluuhu yaqiinaa;
TO CRUCIFY:
If one was to open an English Dictionary one would find that the verb
"crucify" means; "Put to death by fastening (or nailing) to a cross."
According to the "Swoon Theory" advocated by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat and discussed at length under the article The Qur'an does not say; *JESUS WAS SUBSTITUTED* on the CROSS on this web site, Jesus was nailed on the Cross but due to the short period of him being on the Cross for the reasons explained below, he simply fainted, went into a comma and did not die on the Cross .
Jesus was tried by the Roman Governor Pilate on the day of Preparation for the Passover at about noon (see John 19: 14). Thereafter Jesus was taken to the Place of the Skull (Golgotha), carrying his own Cross. Here he was nailed in the late afternoon. The Jews did not want the body of Jesus to be left on the Cross after the Sunset because of the Jewish Sabbath -- a day of great solemnity (see John 19: 31). The fainted Jesus was thus lowered only after a few hours of his nailing. Furthermore the Roman soldiers did not break the legs of Jesus (John 19: 32). Jesus was laid down on a big stone in a new rock tomb which was in the nearby garden. A large stone was placed to cover the big entrance of that rock tomb. A disciple of Jesus named Nicodemus wrapped the nailed and fainted body of Jesus, according to the burial customs of the Jews with linen cloths containing a mixture of myrrh, aloes and spices, weighing nearly hundred pounds (see John 19: 39). Jesus awoke and walked his way out of the tomb and sat in the garden expecting his disciples to show. When Mary Magdalene came to the garden in the early morning she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb (see John 20:1). Awakened Jesus spoke to Mary.
Jesus had fainted on the Cross but did not die. Hence, it is incorrect to say that Jesus was Crucified. Jesus was not "CRUCIFIED" but it only appeared to the people watching the Ceremony of the Crucifixion that he had been. The last line of the above verse, "For of a certainty, they did not slay him." supports this theory. When Jesus met his disciples in private, he showed them is nail marks to prove that he was yet in his original physical body in which he was nailed to the Cross. He was the same person with the same body. Since his enemies - the Jews, were not convinced that Jesus could have died on the Cross within such a short time, he withdrew from his disciples and lived the rest of his life in secret and died the natural death. The disciples, spread the word that they saw Jesus being "carried up into heaven" (Luke 24: 51) by angles.

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Is this the entire website or is there more?

Could you give the link? If this is the information you give to answer my question regarding the resurrection of Jesus.....what will you give in regards to my other queries?

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i can give you a really good website

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm

IT IS A BIASED WEBSITE SO CHECK IT OUT AND COMPARE IT TO THE ANSWERING ISLAM WEBSITE AND SEE WHICH ONE MAKES MORE SENSE TO YOU. THATS WHAT I DO FOR MYSELF.

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This is not Islam is it?

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1627&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

I hope the pics at the bottom of the page is just trick photography.

I don't see anything remotely close to the teachings of Jesus here.

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Bartikus wrote:

This is not Islam is it?

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1627&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

I hope the pics at the bottom of the page is just trick photography.

I don't see anything remotely close to the teachings of Jesus here.

"Thou Shalt not kill" -- OR-- "Kill all the children and non-virgin women!"

One of the Bible's 10 basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13)." Yet, we see GOD Almighty Commanding His servants to not only kill the enemy's men, but also the innocent children and non-virgin women who have not done anything to anyone:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

If Exodus 20:13 was supposed to be the basic pillar that prevents the Bible followers from committing murders against innocent people, then how are Numbers 31:17-18 and 1 Samuel 15:2-4 justified then when GOD Almighty Himself nullified His own Commands and decided to kill innocent children and virgin girls perhaps by the thousands?

It is most ironic that GOD Almighty prohibited ordinary murders but supposedly allowed massacres to be done by the mass!!

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Bartikus wrote:

This is not Islam is it?

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1627&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

I hope the pics at the bottom of the page is just trick photography.

I don't see anything remotely close to the teachings of Jesus here.

Also, we must not forget that the biggest blood sheds and terrorism that took place throughout the world happened by Christians. World Wars I and II prove this. The white Christian race would literally wipe out nations out of the face of the earth if their interests are threatened.

We also must not forget about the African slaves who were forcefully brought to the US by the Europeans and were forced to embrace the polytheist trinitarian pagan christianity to at least earn their freedom.

Last and most definitely not least, we must not forget about the Native Americans (Red Indians) and how the white Christian man literally killed more than 90% of their population throughout the lands.

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Bartikus wrote:

This is not Islam is it?

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1627&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

I hope the pics at the bottom of the page is just trick photography.

I don't see anything remotely close to the teachings of Jesus here.

crimes of christianity:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~freethought/foote/crimes/contents.htm

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You need to take your message of not killing to the people who do so in the name of Allah.

Stop preaching to the choir of which I am a member.

You want to hold all of white Christianity accountable for the sins of the past? Sins done by people who no longer live amongst us?

I'm talking about today!

I don't care in what religion or God's name beheadings and rapes are conducted. I will speak against it.....today.

Address the people who are here and doing such things today. Do not speak about the evils of the past and turning a blind eye to the evils of the present

Anytime anyone brings up these beheadings and such....someone always points out the evils of men who claimed Christianity from a past time. Do you think any person can be justified in such a way?

Show your fellow members how to treat your enemies with kindness and compassion when you have the opportunity. Pray for them. Even if it means your life! Love.

If you are a child of God.....you would pray for your enemies. Think about it.

That is the the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ son of the most high!

Is Allah a God of love? Does he love?

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Ali,
If you would turn 1/10th of your scrutiny of christianity towards islam you would quickly find yourself an atheist.

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Bartikus wrote:

You need to take your message of not killing to the people who do so in the name of Allah.

Stop preaching to the choir of which I am a member.

You want to hold all of white Christianity accountable for the sins of the past? Sins done by people who no longer live amongst us?

I'm talking about today!

I don't care in what religion or God's name beheadings and rapes are conducted. I will speak against it.....today.

Address the people who are here and doing such things today. Do not speak about the evils of the past and turning a blind eye to the evils of the present

Anytime anyone brings up these beheadings and such....someone always points out the evils of men who claimed Christianity from a past time. Do you think any person can be justified in such a way?

Show your fellow members how to treat your enemies with kindness and compassion when you have the opportunity. Pray for them. Even if it means your life! Love.

If you are a child of God.....you would pray for your enemies. Think about it.

That is the the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ son of the most high!

Is Allah a God of love? Does he love?

oh im sorry so all the crimes that the white christian man has commited and still is commiting in iraq are all forgiven and forgotton, whats important is what muslims are doing right now, and we shall never forget that right?

honestly when i read ur response i told myself that ur to stupid and i didnt wanna reply, but then on second thought, ur too stupid, so i will enlighten you:

no buddy, what was done in the past is not forgiven nor forgotton, if you compare what muslims did to what christianity did, youll see thats its not even close to being comparable. so here it is again, you be the judge:

crimes of christianity:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~freethought/foote/crimes/contents.htm

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Doktor S wrote:

Ali,
If you would turn 1/10th of your scrutiny of christianity towards islam you would quickly find yourself an atheist.

no, maybe u should actually read both the bible and the Quran and then compare and then judge, im sure that you havent sat down to read even half of niether of these books.

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ali87 wrote:

Bartikus wrote:
You need to take your message of not killing to the people who do so in the name of Allah.

Stop preaching to the choir of which I am a member.

You want to hold all of white Christianity accountable for the sins of the past? Sins done by people who no longer live amongst us?

I'm talking about today!

I don't care in what religion or God's name beheadings and rapes are conducted. I will speak against it.....today.

Address the people who are here and doing such things today. Do not speak about the evils of the past and turning a blind eye to the evils of the present

Anytime anyone brings up these beheadings and such....someone always points out the evils of men who claimed Christianity from a past time. Do you think any person can be justified in such a way?

Show your fellow members how to treat your enemies with kindness and compassion when you have the opportunity. Pray for them. Even if it means your life! Love.

If you are a child of God.....you would pray for your enemies. Think about it.

That is the the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ son of the most high!

Is Allah a God of love? Does he love?

oh im sorry so all the crimes that the white christian man has commited and still is commiting in iraq are all forgiven and forgotton, whats important is what muslims are doing right now, and we shall never forget that right?

honestly when i read ur response i told myself that ur to stupid and i didnt wanna reply, but then on second thought, ur too stupid, so i will enlighten you:

no buddy, what was done in the past is not forgiven nor forgotton, if you compare what muslims did to what christianity did, youll see thats its not even close to being comparable. so here it is again, you be the judge:

crimes of christianity:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~freethought/foote/crimes/contents.htm

Your right ali......the white Christian man should pay close attention to how he treats others and treat others how they themselves want to be treated.

This is good advice from Jesus.

But it is good advice not just for the white Christian man.....but for the world.

Don't you agree?

I'm sorry if you got the impression that I thought you were stupid. I don't think your stupid. If I implied that you were I'm sorry. I ask for forgiveness because if I have done you wrong in any way....I realize I cannot take it back. Your forgiveness although cannot be earned by me.....would therefore be a gift and a testament to the mercy and compassion within you.

May the love of God find you and keep you forever.

in Jesus name Amen.

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