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Sun 8 Jan, 2006 09:50 pm
Well, I feel like saying that, and I want you to say that, and I'm going to keep on saying that until you agree.
Truth is whatever "I" feel like saying!!!
Only if you believe it, and only to you, not objectively to everyone else. Unfortunately....
The only truth is that we are alive. We live in a world of right and wrong, which isnt necessarily natural I feel. In nature something isn't right or wrong, it's just done to ensure the continuation of life. How many conflicts happen in nature that arent related to an organism looking out for its (and its species') life. My point is that conflict arises from the whole "right wrong" thing. Does an animal know right from wrong? No because there is no such thing, it's just a concept us 'brilliant' humans came up with, a very long time ago.
hear hear!!!
I have logical positivist ethics. If you say murder is 'wrong' you are meerly expressing a dislike for murder, not an objective truth that murder is wrong.
If "murder" were wrong, and murder means to kill, then we'd have to eat things alive. And imagine the pain felt by that thing being eaten alive. Pain might be the only 'wrong', I could naturally pick out. Life is right, pain is wrong. Death does not equal pain. Most animals have natural attack instincts to go for the kill immediately. Animals arent supposed to feel pain for long.
aktorist
Technically you are correct !
Truth is about consensus which includes different aspects of your "self" agreeing with each other. You cannot maintain your position if "part of you" believes your conjecture is spurious.
Of course you have a stronger case if "others" join the consensus, but all consenuses/truths are transient.
Yay!!! I rule. I am queen of the universe. Everyone loves me. I am the best looking woman in the world. I deserve to be fed chocolate for the rest of my life by muscley men wearing lepoard print thongs.
Oh no you don't.You have to deserve such things.
We live in a world of light.Get it? LIGHT!!
The Pentacle Queen wrote:hear hear!!!
I have logical positivist ethics. If you say murder is 'wrong' you are meerly expressing a dislike for murder, not an objective truth that murder is wrong.
My dear, when someone says that they consider murder as wrong, it means that they not only dislike it but they think others should dislike it too. That is how murder constitutes a WRONG! It is irrelevant whether their opinion constitutes any objective truth or not.
Re: Truth is whatever I feel like saying.
aktorist wrote:Well, I feel like saying that, and I want you to say that, and I'm going to keep on saying that until you agree.
NO! Truth is not whatever you feel like saying. What if you choose to lie? Should that be considered truth, just because you chose to say that?
That could be taken with anything, I like men in lepoard print thongs, and I cant see why you wouldnt like them. I think you should, but that has nothing to do with ethics does it?
Truth is when it is Universal application.
Else, it is not the whole truth.
Re: Truth is whatever I feel like saying.
aktorist wrote:Well, I feel like saying that, and I want you to say that, and I'm going to keep on saying that until you agree.
I think there's a word for that description... Oh yeah, the word is "opinion".
Those who claim "truth" is anything other than "agreement between observers" should place themselves a thousand tears back in time and consider the "truth" of the statement "the are four elements - earth. air, fire and water". Now place yourselves a thousand years in the future (assuming homo sapiens exists) and consider the "truth" of any so-called scientific statement of today.
The issue with the proposition depends entirely on consensus at thetime including internal consistency in the thoughts of the one who makes the statement. Such consensus and consistency will be be based on the selection of agreed "evidence at the time" and cannot be flippant.
I like that universal application theory, very good.
How can one not see the "truth" in Fresco's formulation.
I would only add that we might distinguish between "truth" and "reality" (unfortunately we tend to confound the two).
Both are only our linguistic constructions, but I find it useful to designate by "reality" THAT WHICH IS THE CASE (whatever that may be, even if we cannot imagine its nature). By "truth" I designate ACCEPTABLE (by whatever criteria we adopt, usually because they please us or because they serve some positive functions) PROPOSITIONS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE CASE. Our criteria and/or the "evidence" which we take to satisfy them will, as Fresco notes, change with time.
Oh, and for me the most reliable proposition I can make about "reality" is that it does not consist of static "things", only processes of change.