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Existence of Jesus on trial in Italy

 
 
Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 11:56 am
Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest
From Richard Owen in Rome

AN ITALIAN judge has ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed.

The case against Father Enrico Righi has been brought in the town of Viterbo, north of Rome, by Luigi Cascioli, a retired agronomist who once studied for the priesthood but later became a militant atheist.

Signor Cascioli, author of a book called The Fable of Christ, began legal proceedings against Father Righi three years ago after the priest denounced Signor Cascioli in the parish newsletter for questioning Christ's historical existence.

Yesterday Gaetano Mautone, a judge in Viterbo, set a preliminary hearing for the end of this month and ordered Father Righi to appear. The judge had earlier refused to take up the case, but was overruled last month by the Court of Appeal, which agreed that Signor Cascioli had a reasonable case for his accusation that Father Righi was "abusing popular credulity".

Signor Cascioli's contention ?- echoed in numerous atheist books and internet sites ?- is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine apart from the Gospel accounts, which Christians took on faith. There is therefore no basis for Christianity, he claims.

Signor Cascioli's one-man campaign came to a head at a court hearing last April when he lodged his accusations of "abuse of popular credulity" and "impersonation", both offences under the Italian penal code. He argued that all claims for the existence of Jesus from sources other than the Bible stem from authors who lived "after the time of the hypothetical Jesus" and were therefore not reliable witnesses.

Signor Cascioli maintains that early Christian writers confused Jesus with John of Gamala, an anti-Roman Jewish insurgent in 1st-century Palestine. Church authorities were therefore guilty of "substitution of persons".

The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius mention a "Christus" or "Chrestus", but were writing "well after the life of the purported Jesus" and were relying on hearsay.

Father Righi said there was overwhelming testimony to Christ's existence in religious and secular texts. Millions had in any case believed in Christ as both man and Son of God for 2,000 years.

"If Cascioli does not see the sun in the sky at midday, he cannot sue me because I see it and he does not," Father Righi said.

Signor Cascioli said that the Gospels themselves were full of inconsistencies and did not agree on the names of the 12 apostles. He said that he would withdraw his legal action if Father Righi came up with irrefutable proof of Christ's existence by the end of the month.

The Vatican has so far declined to comment.

THE EVIDENCE

The Gospels say that Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth, preached and performed miracles in Galilee and died on the Cross in Jerusalem

In his Antiquities of the Jews at the end of the 1st century, Josephus, the Jewish historian, refers to Jesus as "a wise man, a doer of wonderful works" who "drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles"

Muslims believe Jesus was a great prophet. Many Jewish theologians regard Jesus as an itinerant rabbi who popularised many of the beliefs of liberal Jews. Neither Muslims nor Jews believe he was the Messiah and Son of God

Tacitus, the Roman historian who lived from 55 to 120, mentions "Christus" in his Annals. In about 120 Suetonius, author of The Lives of the Caesars, says: "Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, Emperor Claudius expelled them from Rome."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1967413,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=World
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 12:23 pm
Now THAT's a case to watch.

From what I gathered from HERE, it is a crime in Italy to promote fanatacism. Wherein the priest printed in the church bulletin some details of Christs life and especially his suffering by crucifixion which an athiest determined was "promoting fanaticism" since he finds the story of Jesus to not be true, but rather contrived from the life of another fella that had lived in Gallilea.

So, I wonder how the priest will prove Jesus' existence...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 12:33 pm
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Father Righi said there was overwhelming testimony to Christ's existence in religious and secular texts. Millions had in any case believed in Christ as both man and Son of God for 2,000 years.

"If Cascioli does not see the sun in the sky at midday, he cannot sue me because I see it and he does not," Father Righi said.


I wonder if Mr. Righi sees Jeebus in the sky at midday.

That is a flagrant example of argumentum ad populum. As Anatole France pointed out, "Because fifty million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."

Also, there is excellent evidence that the passage in Tacitus was a christian interpolation, especially as it mentions Christ and christians in the context of the reign of the Emperor Germanicus, popularly known as Nero. The passage that the Jesus freaks harp on has to do with the fire at Rome, 64 CE. The putative Jesus--who if he ever existed (doubtful) would have been known as the Rabbi Joshuah (or Yeshuah)--was not known as "the Christ" in 64 CE, nor were the adherents of that cult of Judaism known yet as christians. Even were the disputed passage (from The Annals of Imperial Rome) accurate and not an interpolation, Tacitus simply takes note that such a cult existed--he nowhere states that the putative Jesus existed.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 12:38 pm
squinney wrote:
Now THAT's a case to watch.


Exactly what I thought. Bizarre, but fascinating.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 01:18 pm
Here's the Complaint in plain English.

http://www.anti-religions.org/eng/processo.php

Has anyone ever heard of this being done before?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 01:26 pm
The wrath of the beast grows, as he knows his time is short.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 01:27 pm
The idiocy of the deluded becomes feverish, as the millenium eternally recedes . . .
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 01:41 pm
Setanta wrote:
The idiocy of the deluded becomes feverish, as the millenium eternally recedes . . .


Mr. Setanta,

I finally agree 100% with something you say! Shocked Yes, there are many deceived and deluded. I am so thankful you finally see that!http://www.websmileys.com/sm/love/663.gif

Well, I guess I should have realized you were seeing it when you said you were conversing with God. :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 03:29 am
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Did Jesus exist? Case dismissed

Friday, February 10, 2006 Posted: 1647 GMT

ROME, Italy (AP) -- An Italian judge has dismissed an atheist's petition that a small-town priest should stand trial for asserting that Jesus Christ existed, both sides said on Friday.

Luigi Cascioli, a 72-year-old retired agronomist, had accused the Rev. Enrico Righi of violating two laws with the assertion, which he called a deceptive fable propagated by the Roman Catholic Church.

"The Rev. Righi is very satisfied and moved," Righi's attorney, Severo Bruno, said. "He is an old, small-town parish priest who never would have thought he'd be in the spotlight for something like this."

Cascioli, a former schoolmate of Righi's, said he had not expected the case to succeed in overwhelmingly Roman Catholic Italy.

"This is not surprising but it doesn't mean it all ends here," he said, adding that he's considering taking the case to the European Court of Human Rights.

"This is an important case and it deserves to go ahead," he said.

Judge Gaetano Mautone said in his decision that prosecutors should investigate Cascioli for possible slander.

The ruling was released Thursday in Viterbo, a town north of Rome where the priest is based. Cascioli filed a criminal complaint against Righi in 2002 after Righi wrote in a parish bulletin that Jesus existed, that he was born to a couple named Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem and that he lived in Nazareth.

Righi, 76, said substantial historical evidence proves Jesus' existence.

Cascioli claimed that Righi's assertions violated two Italian laws: one barring "abuse of popular belief," or fraudulently deceiving people; and another barring "impersonation" or personal gain from attributing a false name to someone.
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