What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

Conservative? No, he and the NSDAP were extreme right wings.

Conservative and right wing parties were about a dozen (or more) other parties.

Which people, Okie? You and your buddies? Fox News? Rush Limbaugh?

When Richard Nixon instituted price controls, was that because he was a leftist? A socialist-collectivist?

I remember Nixon attempting that. Conservatives warned him not to do it, it was a liberal idea. Did it succeed? No, I think history shows it did not, it was an utter and abysmal failure. Nixon was a Republican, and probably more conservative for sure than the Democrats, but that policy was not conservative, it was liberal or left, and if you added up other policies of Nixon, you would have to assess his politics. I don't think he was considered a right wing or conservative icon of the Republican party at all, although not really liberal. But he did not confiscate properties and go to the extent of wage and price controls, etc., that Hitler did, I don't believe. Nor did Nixon institute leftist controls of the media, and the many other things that Hitler did that were leftist in nature.

Jesus Christ, you do live in fantasy land. Nixon, the Cold Warrior, the bulldog of the House Un-American Activities Committee, not considered a conservative icon? This is earth, Okie, are you sure we're on the same planet?

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Okie, is it not collectivism when a group of manufacturers get together to fix prices so they can milk you for every dime you're worth, regardless of the actual value of their product? But government can't interfere in that, though, right? I mean, that would interfere with their liberty, right?

They should be able to sell you burnt chickory, with some iron filings, insect parts and rodent feces, calling it coffee, and no government agency should interfere, because that would infringe the liberty of the capitalists, right? (By the way, before the Pure Food Act, that's what quite a lot of people were buying when they bought "coffee.")

Women should have the right to abortion on demand, any procedure, at any time in the pregnancy because anything else would interfere with their liberty, right?

There should be no laws to set the age at which you can drive, right? No age of consent laws--girls should be able to screw like rabbits as soon as they're ready, right? If they're old enough to bleed, they're old enough to breed? And drinking ages--hell, anyone with the price of admission should be able to buy booze, right? We don't want to interfere in anyone's liberty.

What about drugs, Okie. Why shouldn't people be able to smoke, snort or swallow anything they want? Anything else would interfere with their liberty, wouldn't it?

Shouldn't we just put a big caveat emptor sign up over the business district, and let those boys and girls sell you anything you're stupid enough to buy? Anything else would be to interfere with their liberty.

Public nuisance or disturbing the peace? Nonsense--if we truly believe in liberty i have a perfect right to play any music i like as loud as i can at any time of the day or night, right?

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Okie, do you ever really give careful, serious thought to the things you say?

Are you asking "ever" or "any time in the last 20 years"?

Actually, this thread was quite peculiar funny with okie's responses. Sometimes.

Now, due his latest responses, it has lost any amount of entertainment value.

I'm still giggling over Okie's statement that the Taliban are socialist liberals.

Fortunately, i haven't known Okie for 20 years.

Earlier, when discussing the 17th century English social movements, he verged on saying that all monarchies are leftist--but i was lazy and didn't pursue it with him. Now he has stated that Nixon was not a conservative. It won't be long before Okie discovers for us that there never has been any government which hasn't been "leftist."

Well, socialism was invented by a certain Dominus Monarchus, in the year 75 His family came to Germania Interior in 289 and changed their name to Herr Marcus. Later, it became Marx ...

I would say that Set's post pretty well covers the orthodox conservative position. Anything else is a trifle Nanny.

Students of high intelligence, who are a small but significant section of the population imprisoned in schools in that they will likely be the movers and shakers of the future, could hardly avoid coming to such a position after even a cursory exposure to Darwinian science.

The abortion issue wouldn't apply as such students would never come to think of it being a possibilty.

Bearing that in mind, as critical thinkers of the scientific sort are enjoined by their own logic to do, Mr Nixon was a bit of a pinko leftie.

The second is a subset of the first. I do get the impression Okie does pay attention to what he says, but I think he just works in some different scale than most of the rest of us. From the Taliban case I'd tentatively call his scale logarithmic - it's just a few orders of magnitude off the usual scale.

How can okie's opinions be logarithmic when there's no logic in them on any scale? LOL

I believe 20-years represents too short a period in okie's life.

Enough of the sarcasm. I was becoming a more astute political observer when Nixon was elected. I remember Eisenhower some, JFK more, LBJ pretty well, and then Nixon came on the scene. I do remember the sort of lack of enthusiasm among conservatives, and among Republicans in general, but as was common in the party, he was heir apparent by virtue of being vp and running before. People thought trickie Dick was done in terms of his political runs, but he came back and won, primarily because there was nobody else that had name recognition that had much support or wanted to run. Kind of like a Bob Dole type.. And I remember the price controls and I remember discussing this with fellow conservatives, and how this was not going to work. No, Nixon was not a conservative icon at all, not in my opinion. Goldwater would be what I would call a conservative icon, and the next real one was Reagan. If you lived during that time, I think you should agree.

I think Nixon was actually a mixed bag, a politician first and a Republican second, and supposedly conservative way down the list, not really one, although he was not a flaming liberal. But he did have a few liberal policies.

"Facts are stupid things." President Raegan.

You misspelled Reagan, spendi.

Another comment, we had a faction of republicans, still do, called "country club Republicans." I wouldn't necessarily call Nixon one, but I think that is why he rose to the top of the party, another was Gerald Ford. Ford was a nice guy, a good guy, but another guy that was no conservative icon at all.

Setanta, correct - Nixon gained notoriety for the Rosenburg deal, etc., anti-communist etc., but he was also the guy that opened things up with China. As I said before, I lived then and I do not at all recall conservatives being much excited over Nixon at all.

Yes as to opening to China, but I think he did it as a counterweight to the Soviet Union, not from any Maoist sympathies!

That's OK, because Reagan never said that:)