All illogical, self-contradictory nonsense !
George, I respect your opinions, so I admit to being surprised at your opinion here. I reject your accusation of being illogical and contradictory. I think that you and others are bordering on contradictory here, and nonsensical.
First of all, everyone knows Hitler was a liar and one mixed up person, but lying is generally done at times of necessity, and I do not believe it naturally follows that Hitler had to lie in Mein Kampf. I would not claim he did not lie at all, but I do not think it was a total collection of intentional lies at all, I believe he actually thought it was a brilliant piece of work to express his beliefs about the political world and how it could be fixed. Never mind that it was not, at least in my opinion, I think it was written in a very disorganized fashion, almost childish in my opinion, but that does not discount its importance as a document. In fact, I think it offers one of the most credible sources to try to figure out what was going in the man's mind.
So I reject your assertion that because an action, or a few or of his actions supposedly contradict what he wrote, that it means the document has little importance in regard to telling us what the man thought. I think that is a ridiculous statement on its face. I believe it tells us a tremendous amount about what motivated him, his hatreds and biases, and his beliefs. And in regard to his actions, I would need more specific examples or proof that he did contradict what he wrote as a pattern of behavior, to convince me that the document is next to useless. I just do not think that is a reasonable argument at all, it is totally illogical, the very thing you are accusing me of.
You also accuse me of lifting his words out of context, I am sorry but I think some words speak pretty clearly, they provide their own context. They stand as stark examples of what he said. I would have to ask you to cite specific examples of how you think I have distorted the meaning of what was said, as I don't think I have done that.
Now in regard to the Nazi 25 points. You claim he only used this party to rise to power, then cast it aside. But you are missing one of the most important points here, perhaps I have not emphasized it enough, we are not just talking about Hitler, although I think he was clearly a leftist, but one of the assertions I made is that leftist politics provides the most fertile ground for ruthless dictators to arise out of, and this is the fertile ground that existed when he rose to power. Ican has pointed this out numerous times, as have I, that one of the central beliefs of this party was "COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD." It is plain and clear as day that this is leftist in philosophy if compared to the left right scale as seen today, at least here, and I have been clear this is the context I was using.
The "COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD" is but one of many proofs of what the Nazi Party was all about. Sheesh, are you going to now try to say this has no bearing on Hitler at all, he did exactly the opposite? Perhaps he never believed it either? I think you are running yourself out on a pretty long limb, George, when you try to make that argument.
As to Hitler imprisoning or executing a large number of party leaders, I don't believe that was due altogether to big disagreements in left or right leaning policy as much as it was the elimination of people that saw how dangerous he was and began to provide some resistance to it, don't you think?
I don't know where we can go from here if we throw out Mein Kampf and the Nazi Party 25 points. Sure, I am interested to hear how his actual policies indicate he was a right winger, but I haven's seen much yet. Actually, if you want to get right to the core of it, Hitler was all about the "common good" of Germany, hey thats why he set about to get rid of millions of individuals, he could not have cared less about individuals, it was all about him and Germany. And the man believed in centralization, not local authority, or smaller government, no way. I think he instituted price controls, not a conservative idea in my opinion. Public works was also big, wasn't it? Not exactly a conservative bastion of activity, in fact FDR stands as the icon of public works in the history of the U.S., and Obama's idea of stimulating the economy is much along this same line, in opposition to right wing or conservative policy.
And I think, George, this is a key point in my argument, Hitler may have blamed the troubles of Germany on the Jewish capitalists? Capitalism and Jewry was linked in his mind. From what I have read, I think he hated them both. Actually, who comes to mind in the last few years right here in our own country that has been caught on tape railing against the evils of capitalism and Jews? Obama's own minister and mentor, the very Reverend Jeremiah Wright.