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How far into the past can we look? (when looking at stars)

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 09:53 am
g-day
g-day, my friend used to regale me with tales of the little towns on the road to her scope facility. She lived in one of them outside New South Wales, if I remember correctly.

I don't remember if this is her observatory site because I can't remember it's name as their are several in New South Wales:

http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps6n,,.html

BBB
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g day
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2005 02:14 am
BBB That is Parkes Radio Telescope dish - the one that relayed the Moon landing in 1969 to the world when the other radio telescopes failed.

Immortalised by the quirky, funny movie "The Dish" which opens with the scientists playing cricket on the surface of the dish itself on a slow day - typical Australian.
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SuperPepsiMan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2006 08:45 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
What about the likelyhood that light from celesteral bodies traveling millions and billions of years to earth that we finally see probably no longer exist. Does that mean we are studying things that are no longer there?

BBB
Hmm... It may be wandering far from the point, but with this being said does that mean that if, either now or in the future, we were to travel back in time, we would travel to a place that no longer exists Question Whether it does or not, how when and where would we possibly end up Question

SPM
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g day
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jan, 2006 05:07 am
BBB - Stars only last 1 - 12 billion years - the really big super blue giants can exhaust their fuel in 1-2 billion years.

So look past 1 - 2 billion light years and you are liked to be observing stars that have long since died.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 10:49 pm
Re: How far into the past can we look? (when looking at star
ReX wrote:
Can we look at the beginning of the universe?
Because, time-space was UNFOLDING in the beginning (and perhaps still),
so how can this be?

Or am I remembering the basic concept of 'looking into the past' wrong?

The further we see, the more into the past, no?
Therefor, if we were somehow able to see to a very distant point, this would mean a point near the beginning of existence hence when time-space was just tiny and unfolding.


The oldest light we can see is the cosmic microwave background radiation, which was formed when the universe was several hundred thousand years old.

You can't see farther than that.



This Hubble shot gets close to that time period:

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2004/07/text/

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2004/07/image/n

http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/2004/07/images/n/formats/large_web.jpg
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:15 am
Re: How far into the past can we look? (when looking at star
oralloy wrote:
The oldest light we can see is the cosmic microwave background radiation, which was formed when the universe was several hundred thousand years old.


And here is the Microwave background radiation as seen by the WMAP Probe:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0509/sky_wmap.jpg
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:22 am
About a week or thereabouts...that is as far back as one can see in history when looking at the stars. After that the view becomes distorted.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:32 am
seems perfectly straightforward to me...in the beginning God took a 2*4...
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:39 am
When I look at the stars, I only think of the future, not of the past...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:39 am
Re: g-day
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
g__day wrote:
Well the universe wasn't transparent until 300,000 years after the Big Bang. So when you say looking do you infer measuring visible e-m radiation or radio / gamma radiation?

COBE can measure the remants of the BB itself.


g-day, are you, by any chance, an astronomer? I once knew an astronomer whose telescope facility was out in the boonies. We had wonderful conversations and I learned so much from her.

BBB
Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:42 am
g__day wrote:
Yes I love astronomy - as an amateur. My interests are high energy physics, theoretical physics, cosmology and astronomy. So the worlds of the very big and very small.

I just like star gazing, my screen saver used to be gravit or another one that modeled galaxies colliding - really cool.

I'm on my second scope at the moment - a 5" MAK with motor drives but no GOTO and am saving for my third which should be either a 10" - 12" Meade or 11" Celestron with CCD imaging equipment and autoguide and focal length reducers.

Its an easy hobby to while away the midnight hours!
Surprised you can see anything through the smoke gd.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:47 am
Francis wrote:
When I look at the stars, I only think of the future, not of the past...
Who said Francis was a hard nosed existentialist?
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:54 am
Just putting a touch of delicacy in a world of brutes...
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 08:01 am
Wow, I wouldn't call what has been said here brutish at all.....just the opposite.



timber - do you personally think anythink will ever be discovered smaller than a planck?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 08:12 am
I find it strangely comforting that at the end of it all is a planck.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 08:35 am
As long as no one's behind you poking you with a pointy sword.
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